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Old 05-10-2004, 11:22 AM   #1
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wm vs de??

ok coming from the m$ environment Im a little confused as to a window manager vs a desktop environment it seems they are the same yet different and cant quite wrap my brain around the concept..for example I know kde and gnome are de`s which include wm but then what would fluxbox be considered? thats just a wm?? so how to use a wm without a de?? or am I way off here..also reason for ?? relates to another post of mine regarding menu choice at login when using gnome as a gdm I would get a login with menu choice as to what to boot into... I didnt like gnome , so I installed kde and xdm now no login menu just login box no choice so then install kdm and the same just login box no choice as to what to login into and yes I do have flux box installed thru apt-get install fluxbox.......
Old 05-10-2004, 01:03 PM   #2
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KDE = desktop enironment
Openbox/fluxbox/blackbox = window manager

Desktop environment provide u with panel, other apps, and stuff like that , there by enhancing ur desktop

WM , as the name suggests, is just mamages windows. ie. it basically provides the window decoration u see. All windowmanagers can be used with kde/gnome
Old 05-10-2004, 06:05 PM   #3
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A window manager draws a box around your apps with a title bar and buttons to iconify, maximize, shade, whatever. Or keys to do so. It generally gives you a way to launch apps such as a menu or command line or desktop icons. It generally has a directory of a handful of small plain text files you can edit to configure it. It's generally one or a few binaries.


What more do you need?

An IDE is a huge mammoth thing that drains resources so that it can draw all kinds of widgets all over the place and lock you into using the KFile Manager and GText Editor and making you load a KGDefault GKBrowser. It's slow. It comes with a zillion binaries and thousands of indecipherable config files that you aren't supposed to touch because everything must be done through hundreds of clicky dialog boxes. None of this is remotely necessary to shoving a window around.

As far as the graphical login, I feel the same way about ?DMs as I do Knome. - Rip it out, boot into text mode, type 'startx'. Want to launch something else? Change the 'exec' line of ~/.xinitrc to something else. Beautiful, ain't it?

(Seriously - I dunno how to change the clicky thing but there is a file or directory of them (I forget) that you can edit to force stuff to appear on the menu... if you can find the file amidst all the junk.)


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