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Old 07-10-2019, 02:53 AM   #1
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Question Windows 10 added to Linux Mint 18.3 Xfce


Well boys and girls, after being a Linux user for the past twelve years I have decided to add Windows 10 to my Linux desktop. After taking a long look around it seems that it is not possible to install Windows onto a hard drive that is completely consumed by a Linux operating system. I find this to be rather dis-hearting at the best. I am one that believes there is nothing Linux Brainiac can't do. So how do I install Window next to Mint without starting over and installing Windows first? Please advise
 
Old 07-10-2019, 03:10 AM   #2
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I find this to be rather dis-hearting at the best.
And why would that be ?. If the disk is full, it's full. Shrink your least occupied partition and leave the space unallocated - don't create a partition, Win10 installer will handle that, same as a Linux installer would.

Is it UEFI ?. Do you have a ESP partition ?. Is your disk gpt ?. Need to get the basics sorted first.
 
Old 07-10-2019, 03:34 AM   #3
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Shrink your least occupied partition what tool would you us to do this job?
 
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The gparted liveCD is a GUI that allows you to drag the edges of a partition and will resize the filesystem contained within automagically.
Great piece of software. Even works on NTFS filesystems.
 
Old 07-10-2019, 07:05 AM   #5
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Windows 10 added to Linux Mint 18.3 Xfce

Why not use VirtualBox? Windows in a VM can do anything a bare metal installation can... and without fiddling with your partitions.
 
Old 07-10-2019, 07:39 AM   #6
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Windows 10 added to Linux Mint 18.3 Xfce

Failing that, you're SOL. Unfortunately, Windows must be installed before Linux if you want a dual boot setup.
 
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Unfortunately, Windows must be installed before Linux if you want a dual boot setup.
How so.
It wasn't even true with legacy Windows and BIOS - I can't believe it would be with UEFI and Win10 although I've never had to. EFI was specifically designed to isolate the boot sequence from the O/S loader.
 
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Unfortunately, Windows must be installed before Linux if you want a dual boot setup
In legacy mode it was just easier to install windows first, not a must.
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How so.
It wasn't even true with legacy Windows and BIOS - I can't believe it would be with UEFI and Win10 although I've never had to. EFI was specifically designed to isolate the boot sequence from the O/S loader.
In uefi it doesn't really matter which one is installed first. You can go in the bios and change boot order.

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Old 07-13-2019, 11:30 PM   #9
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Windows in a VM can do anything a bare metal installation can...
Almost. You won't be able to play a new Windows game that way for example.
 
Old 07-14-2019, 06:35 AM   #10
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Almost. You won't be able to play a new Windows game that way for example.
Who has time for games anyway?
 
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How so.
It wasn't even true with legacy Windows and BIOS.
How confident are you with that advice? IME, the risk of data loss is considerable, considering that the Windows installer's default settings are geared towards Windows being the only OS on the machine and it does not communicate anything it is doing back to the user... you'll only find out after it's too late... Oh, and your bootloader (UEFI or legacy) will have been overwritten...

Anyhow, good luck!

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Old 07-15-2019, 02:22 AM   #12
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Who has time for games anyway?
Games are just another category of software with niche hardware requirements that make them run worse in virtual machines.
 
Old 07-15-2019, 03:05 PM   #13
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If needs be, you can do a disk image of your Mint install. Let Windows have the entire disk; it'll be a lot happier.

Clone your Mint disk image to an external HDD/SSD.....and run it from there. I learnt years ago, if you insist on running Windoze and Linux together, at least have the sense to keep them on separate drives. Linux will run from an external drive. Windows won't. And keeping Linux on an external drive, preferably USB which can be unplugged when not in use, means there's zero chance of Windoze trying to appropriate the drive for its own 'requirements'.

On top of which, there's all the issues surrounding read/write capabilities when Windoze 10 is 'hibernating'.....especially if you keep a common data partition for both OSes to share. Since Win 10 always hibernates, as far as it's concerned your data partition will always be in use by Windoze. One of those wee facts of life, I'm afraid.....


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Old 07-16-2019, 04:19 AM   #14
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if you insist on running Windoze and Linux together, at least have the sense to keep them on separate drives
Good advice but in my experience it depends on the distro. Some have even been known to mess up the Win partition - happened to one of my earlier laptops, it nuked the mbr, luckily I'd made some rescue disks so I was at least able to get back to a working laptop.

I got a new laptop 2 years ago with Win 10 on it and had no probs installing another distro on it, same hd.

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On top of which, there's all the issues surrounding read/write capabilities when Windoze 10 is 'hibernating'.....especially if you keep a common data partition for both OSes to share. Since Win 10 always hibernates, as far as it's concerned your data partition will always be in use by Windoze.[/B]
I disabled fast boot which takes care of hibernating. If there's dual boot with Win10 it should always be disabled otherwise it will mess up the Linux partition.
 
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Games are just another category of software with niche hardware requirements that make them run worse in virtual machines.
If you need it for standard productivity tools, then it'll work just fine most of the time. I'm using industry-specific software (which is Windows-only) inside a Windows Virtualbox VM and have done so daily since 2015 without any issues.

IME, Virtualbox seems to handle video and sound better than a bare metal hypervisor like esxi... Which kinda makes sense, since it can take full advantage of the host's capabilities.
 
  


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