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Old 02-26-2019, 04:23 AM   #16
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From my LFS days when I spent time on BLFS, KDE apps all needed kdelibs, but not always a lot more. Gnome was the awkward one, because dependency and compiling order was a lot trickier. You could end up in Catch-22-like situations at the time; X needs Y to compile, but Y needs X to compile. I presume they've sorted or mitigated that. Nothing seems to hold back KDE bloat, and Gnome's passion with taking over the world, starting with your pc.
 
Old 02-26-2019, 05:41 AM   #17
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Hm. I never really learned much about Linux even though it's all I use. I was amateur level at C and I liked KDE 3.5 and I used KDevelop back then and I really liked it a lot. But when they went to KDE 4 I felt almost forced into Xfce. I'm not putting KDE down, I'm not religious about this stuff. It's just, you know, I really hate it.

From the last couple posts I'm gathering, ok, maybe you DO want to use KDE if you're going to use KDevelop or any KDE apps. Anyway... I'm probably using Xfce for the rest of eternity, I don't see myself adapting or changing. So which IDE would anyone recommend? For someone who is at F level bash scripting and C level programming as a hobby. No one has to bother with this thread anymore I think I got what i need. But if anyone feels like recommending IDE's go ahead, I'll listen.
 
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KDE's primary draw is that it's a unified, integrated, polished desktop UI, but it does that by being unified in implementation as well as interface. I use KDE on my ThinkPad, like it, and will probably not switch away, but I use the whole KDE and even try to hunt down KDE equivalents of non-KDE apps I would normally use (e.g. Krusader instead of my usual Double Commander), to leverage the integration of KDE rather than working against it. It's all or nothing--use KDE, or do not, but if you're pulling KDE stuff into a non-KDE environment you're getting KDE's weight without its functionality.

I don't think this is a problem with KDE though--without it, the things that make KDE so nice as an everyday desktop/Windows substitute wouldn't really be possible. But it's not a Unix-philosophy system and should not be approached as one.
 
Old 02-27-2019, 12:31 AM   #19
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So which IDE would anyone recommend? For someone who is at F level bash scripting and C level programming as a hobby. No one has to bother with this thread anymore I think I got what i need. But if anyone feels like recommending IDE's go ahead, I'll listen.
i don't know what "F" and "C" means, but "as a hobby" seems to explain it.
and what's an IDE? oh i know what the word means: integrated development environment. a term no doubt created for windows users who do not have a C compiler or python environment etc. installed by default.
on Linux, it makes less sense imo.
Linux is an "IDE".
So, if you're looking for a good & lightweight & desktop-independent coding editor, i heartily recommend geany (GTK3). or maybe notepadqq (Qt5).
 
Old 02-27-2019, 07:35 AM   #20
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@OP in my opinion this thread got way more complecated than it needed to be. just wanted to add my 2 cents.
Desktop environments are a suit of applications that attempt to provide a 'ready to go experience'. A window managers is an application included in all desktop environemts. The window manager is the part that draws the windows.
Sometimes a window manager is run exclusively. This gives the user the flexibility to choose the apps to make up the environemt that they see fit.
Toolkits like gtk and qt determine the look of windows. Specific theme engines can allow for fluidity for gtk apps in a qt based environment vice versa. Any app no matter which toolkits it's based on can run within another environment.

Keep in mind that using apps from another environment will bring in extra dependencies. It's up to you to decide if that's worth doing. I doubt it'll have much negative effect other than taking up a few extra MB of space on your hard drive.

I use the qt based kde. I always install the gtk based cheese, gimp, Firefox, pragha, gpodder and they work fine.

Stress less mate, kdevelolmemt should work fine in xfce.

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@darksaurian: I kinda liked Cinnamon, which is in Mint. I prefer XFCE, but I put a lot of work in XFCE settings, transfer them over every upgrade, and I never have to relearn anything.
 
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@OP in my opinion this thread got way more complecated than it needed to be. just wanted to add my 2 cents.
Desktop environments are a suit of applications that attempt to provide a 'ready to go experience'. A window managers is an application included in all desktop environemts. The window manager is the part that draws the windows.
Sometimes a window manager is run exclusively. This gives the user the flexibility to choose the apps to make up the environemt that they see fit.
Toolkits like gtk and qt determine the look of windows. Specific theme engines can allow for fluidity for gtk apps in a qt based environment vice versa. Any app no matter which toolkits it's based on can run within another environment.

Keep in mind that using apps from another environment will bring in extra dependencies. It's up to you to decide if that's worth doing. I doubt it'll have much negative effect other than taking up a few extra MB of space on your hard drive.

I use the qt based kde. I always install the gtk based cheese, gimp, Firefox, pragha, gpodder and they work fine.

Stress less mate, kdevelolmemt should work fine in xfce.
Well said!
 
Old 03-14-2019, 05:19 AM   #23
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I doubt anyone cares but i started using KDE again a few days ago and I like it and I'm going to be using KDE and KDevelop. It's hard to remember now but I think when they switched from version 3 to version 4 there were features I didn't want use shoved in my face or dolphin crashed all the time or something. I just remember getting really irritated and complaining that the old KDE was better. But it seems pretty cool now. I have to say that after talking trash about it.
 
  


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