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Old 06-26-2004, 01:41 PM   #1
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Why


Why do I have to manually edit XF86Config-4 after installing Nvidia drivers

Why do i have to go to my plugins folders and type a command on the shell so my java plugin could work with the browser?


To install Java and Flash I recommend installing it the way the Netscape browser use to do it. You go to a website that has flash, and a window pops up taking u to the link where flash will be installed automatically. The same things can be said with alot of Internet Explorer Plugins. Am I missing somethings? please show me why this hasnt been done

Why These things can't be easier in Linux?
 
Old 06-26-2004, 01:59 PM   #2
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why, because this is NOT windows.

and your thread topic needs to be more specific.
 
Old 06-26-2004, 02:10 PM   #3
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You have to remember that most desktop apps are set up for the Windows world and we are coming from behind. Until we have enough users to make software and hardware manufacturers work with us, we have to make do and get things to install the hard way. Things are getting easier though.

You are running an OS which is more secure by default and which makes you think before installing anything. Windows would just let you install it - whether you want to or not or whether it was secure or not.

And yes, in future please use a thread title which describes your post better.
 
Old 06-26-2004, 02:30 PM   #4
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You have to remember that most desktop apps are set up for the Windows world and we are coming from behind. Until we have enough users to make software and hardware manufacturers work with us, we have to make do and get things to install the hard way. Things are getting easier though.

You are running an OS which is more secure by default and which makes you think before installing anything. Windows would just let you install it - whether you want to or not or whether it was secure or not.

And yes, in future please use a thread title which describes your post better.
sorry about the threat title, and thanks for answering my question, the other guy didnt give me much info, other than saying that linux isnt windows. i guess i'll just play with linux, untill things like these get sorted out, then i will leave windows for sure. its only a matter of time.
 
Old 06-26-2004, 02:50 PM   #5
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How hard is it to edit nv to nvidia, when comparing to hacking the terrible registries windows uses...
 
Old 06-26-2004, 02:51 PM   #6
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If you do a search you will see lots and lots and lots of windows vs linux type threads. All the opinions you can ever want or need on LQ
 
Old 06-26-2004, 04:30 PM   #7
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besides it not being windows, you must remember that gnu/linux/whatever-else is a UNIX like OS, and UNIX doesn't have a GUI but merely a command interface , the GUI is built on top of all that, so it only stands to reason sooner or later you will have to use the command interface, and as for configuring the graphics card in the command interface: before the GUI (X) can start, it needs to know about your monitor and video card, so it knows how to talk to them, and display things, it just cant load up without being told what the hell its talking to. i might break the card and you monitor if it did

and remember: its not that things are harder (some are tho, some arnt, but most) but its because you just don't know how to use it, i remember windows being hard to use (and it still is, even tho i know how to use it, its overly hard to do stuff in it, unless you don't know how to use a computer, in which case all you use it for is to use IE
 
Old 07-02-2004, 10:02 AM   #8
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hey look what i found, it was only a matter of time.


http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS7447629833.html

Last edited by kromatic; 07-02-2004 at 10:07 AM.
 
Old 07-02-2004, 10:29 AM   #9
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Why do I have to manually edit XF86Config-4 after installing Nvidia drivers

Why do i have to go to my plugins folders and type a command on the shell so my java plugin could work with the browser?
i know what you mean !!!
this morning, i wanted to check my email... i sat at my pc, and i had to puch the power button to turn the thing on !
there should be a seoncor in the seat that turns the machine on when i sit down, and turns it off when i stand up..

and there should be a laser scanner, than reads your mind through your eyes, and automatically loads the web browser.

and why the h3ll does my mouse not have power steering !
next thing you know, ill have to start blowing my own nose !
 
Old 07-02-2004, 10:39 AM   #10
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i know what you mean !!!
this morning, i wanted to check my email... i sat at my pc, and i had to puch the power button to turn the thing on !
there should be a seoncor in the seat that turns the machine on when i sit down, and turns it off when i stand up..

and there should be a laser scanner, than reads your mind through your eyes, and automatically loads the web browser.

and why the h3ll does my mouse not have power steering !
next thing you know, ill have to start blowing my own nose !
lets be serious, nvidia drivers should b easier to install, i hear alot of times that a newbie shouldn't have to edit config files because linux is so user friendly, but its not the case with nvidia drivers. what happened to not having to use the command line?
 
Old 07-02-2004, 11:59 AM   #11
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first of all, it is not linux's fault.
nvidia write closed source drivers, and nvidia chooses not to write a script that automatically updates the config file.

but nvidia are very good to linux users, they regulary update there drivers, they precompile things for common kernels, and have an EXCELLENT auto compile scrit for users who have un-supported kernels.

and there 2.6 kernel version was released very soon after kernel 2.6.0.

you should be thankfull ! nvidia are very very linux friendsly hardware vendors.

ok..
so maybe one day nvidia will make a script to auto change your X script.
because the X script can go in different places, it can be named different things,
some use XFree86, some use XOrg, and some have XVesa.

what if the script made a mistake in some cases.
what if some distro put there Xfree86 in a completely different place.

what if some distro's dont even have an X config file ?
i know xorg has inbuilt defaults for users who dont have a config file.

maybe one day nvidia will do this... but untill then... dont complain :P
 
Old 07-03-2004, 11:40 AM   #12
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first of all, it is not linux's fault.
nvidia write closed source drivers, and nvidia chooses not to write a script that automatically updates the config file.

but nvidia are very good to linux users, they regulary update there drivers, they precompile things for common kernels, and have an EXCELLENT auto compile scrit for users who have un-supported kernels.

and there 2.6 kernel version was released very soon after kernel 2.6.0.

you should be thankfull ! nvidia are very very linux friendsly hardware vendors.

ok..
so maybe one day nvidia will make a script to auto change your X script.
because the X script can go in different places, it can be named different things,
some use XFree86, some use XOrg, and some have XVesa.

what if the script made a mistake in some cases.
what if some distro put there Xfree86 in a completely different place.

what if some distro's dont even have an X config file ?
i know xorg has inbuilt defaults for users who dont have a config file.

maybe one day nvidia will do this... but untill then... dont complain :P
first of all i never said it was linux fault, i just asked WHY it hasnt been done, good explanation, but dont tell me not to complain, if u dont speak up on issues, stuff will never get fixed, dont you think?
 
Old 07-03-2004, 04:35 PM   #13
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ok... then why are you asking the general linux public why nvidia dont write such functionality.
ask nividia.
 
Old 07-03-2004, 06:48 PM   #14
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ok... then why are you asking the general linux public why nvidia dont write such functionality.
ask nividia.
u guys already gave me an answer. thanks buddy
 
Old 07-04-2004, 03:53 AM   #15
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The post that qwijibow wrote answers your question. Other posters also answer your question.

IMO, having someone or something editing a config file that I got the way I wanted may change the file or messed up the configuration to a point it is not managable. Mandrake's XFdrake does this if I want it to change the resolution or bit depth. If the LINUX community moves to XML format for the configs, you can use GUI programs or edit them by hand. I rather edit config files because no program is better than humans editing files.
 
  


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