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Old 01-10-2007, 04:03 AM   #1
tcrew
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Which one..?


Hi i am a newbie to linux, and have installed a few versions on VMWare to see what linux is like. Anyway i would like to install one as a secon Os on my PC. But as there are so many out there i am a little confused.

The one i'm leaning to is Mandriva because it includes TransGaming’s Cedega.. Does this play your PC games on Linux...? Or have i unsterstood it wrong..?

The other one i'm liking is SuSe and as we speak i'm installing Fedora 6 onto my VMWare.

So like i say i am a little confused.

Here's what i need to do on my machine.

Download from newsgroups i currently use Newsbin Pro, Burn cd/dvd, play mp3's and play some games.

Thanx for any help.
 
Old 01-10-2007, 04:18 AM   #2
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My opinion:
You are on the right track, I have tried many and they all have their advantages, some I could never get installed mind you. I'm not a gamer so I can't answer the gaming question but my favorite distros are Red Hat based, and my current ones are listed in my profile to the left.
BUT THAT IS JUST AN OPINION, with a little background.

Suggestion:
Some distros have problems with certain types of hardware, to get more accurate feedback you should list as much detail as possible , the specs on your computer, such as video card/onboard video controler, sound card/onboard controller, cpu spec, amount of memory, size of HDD, intended set-up such as dual boot, single boot or multi-boot, upper and lower bridge chips (major chipset embedded in motherboard), what make of computer, which motherboard, etc. etc. etc.....as much dirt as you can dig up. If it is a more common computer maker like HP than just list the make & model # and people will take a quick look at the specs via the manufacturers web-site if this seems complicated, and if it is don't be ashamed as you are average at the least.

Last edited by Junior Hacker; 01-10-2007 at 04:35 AM.
 
Old 01-10-2007, 04:24 AM   #3
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Any distro can do all those, only the gaming part might pose problems. Transgaming/Cedega is a fork of Wine (of kind; Wine = Wine Is Not an Emulator, check winehq site), which is meant to run Windows programs, and Cedega specifically is meant to run games with 3d graphics and so on. Wine can run some games too, but Cedega is specifically for it. But don't understand wrong, they're not bullet-proof: Wine cannot run every Windows program, and that means Cedega cannot run every Windows game. If you pay for Cedega's "official" version, you get support and I guess somekind of promise that the games listed at cedega's site as "working" work with it, but if you instead use the cost-free version of Cedega (CVS if you download it yourself) there is no support and it might just as well not run anything. It's a little game of luck, some games run, others just don't, and part of those that run don't run completely well.

In addition there is your hardware: before you can run 3d games on Linux you need to have your hardware 3d accelaration working, and that means having DRI (Direct Rendering Infrastructure) working. ATI and nVidia cards have drivers for Linux that are relatively easy to obtain, but may pose problems during installation; if you use Composite (some distributions use by default, though it's not "on"), DRI does not work with it, you'll have to disable it first. nVidia is probably better for gaming, ATI works too, but read the instructions carefully before installing any drivers (and first try native drivers provided by your distribution rather than directly from the manufacturer, in case of nVidia and ATI, since they are easier to remove if they don't work, and they are geared to work in that specific distribution).

If you like easy working, try Ubuntu (or if you prefer KDE look, Kubuntu) on your VMware. Like SuSe and Fedora it has a wide support for hardware etc., is easy to set up and use, but has smaller installer size (though all apps are easy to get from Ubuntu reposities) and..well, I'm not a salesman, try it with VMware and see if you like it. SuSE has problems with codecs and stuff that might cause trouble with copyright laws, and on Fedora you'll have to do some work to get mp3 and other codecs working (it's pretty easy though), but on Ubuntu it's definitely the easiest; just enable universe and multiverse reposities (directions are easy to find at their site), and with a single command (or a graphical front-end) you get what you need.

So, before you go on gaming, you need
- Cedega
- 3dfx drivers for your card properly installed
- DRI enabled
all at the same time. Oh, and Wine and Cedega..I'm not sure if they work together at the same time too well, at least they didn't when I last tried. Try Cedega out, but bear in mind it's not as good as Windows itself, for gaming purposes (this is why I prefer game consoles, no need to worry about the operating system or software).
 
Old 01-10-2007, 04:32 AM   #4
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Quote:
Originally Posted by tcrew
Hi i am a newbie to linux, and have installed a few versions on VMWare to see what linux is like. Anyway i would like to install one as a secon Os on my PC. But as there are so many out there i am a little confused.

The one i'm leaning to is Mandriva because it includes TransGaming’s Cedega.. Does this play your PC games on Linux...? Or have i unsterstood it wrong..?

The other one i'm liking is SuSe and as we speak i'm installing Fedora 6 onto my VMWare.

So like i say i am a little confused.

Here's what i need to do on my machine.

Download from newsgroups i currently use Newsbin Pro, Burn cd/dvd, play mp3's and play some games.

Thanx for any help.
Unfortunately, this is one of the areas where Linux is severely lacking. Cedega supposedly has pretty good game support, although nothing will ever be 100%. I'd probably recommend just setting up your system to dual boot, and when you want to play games, boot Windows. I'm not a Gamer, I think thats thats why Billy made the 360, , so you may not find this reasonable.

Of the 3 distros you listed, I would DEFINITELY go with Fedora Core 6. Its 100x better, and for me, faster and more stable, than Mandriva or Suse. I really liked Mandriva 10.0 Official, but Mandriva 07 was extremely disappointing to me.

Don't neglect to take a look at some of the *buntu distros. They are quite popular for a reason. IMO, They have the easiest package manager on the planet, community support is massive, and a lot of answers can be turned up with a simple Google search.

http://www.distrowatch.org

http://www.ubuntu.com
http://www.kubuntu.com
http://www.xubuntu.com

If you go Ubuntu 6.10, here's a great link to Ubuntu's Wiki.

http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Edgy

IGF
 
Old 01-10-2007, 04:35 AM   #5
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Kubuntu
http://www.kubuntu.org/

Mandriva
http://frontal2.mandriva.com/en/downloads/mirrors

PCLinuxOS .92
http://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/metalab/dist...glish/preview/
ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/metalab/distr...glish/preview/

This is the distro I use and recommend, Why because it works right out of the box. No need to configure Everything, everything just works. It also comes as a 1 CD install that is a live CD that you can install later if you wish.

Mephis
http://www.mepis.org/

Blag
http://www.blagblagblag.org/download/

if your still unsure of the distri try these distro choosers:


http://eedok.voidofmind.com/linux/chooser.html
http://www.zegeniestudios.net/ldc/
 
Old 01-10-2007, 05:46 AM   #6
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Thanx for all the replies, you have all been very helpful, here is my system specs.

MSI Neo 2 Platinum Motherboard
Nvidia 3 Chipset
AMD 64BiT 4000+
2 Gig DDR 400 Ram
Nvid1a GeForce 6600
RealTek AC 97 Audio
2 x 250 gig Serial/Sata Hard Drives
Pioneer 111d DVD Writer

I would like to Have WinXP/Win Vista/ and maybe 2 LinuxOS on there.

Again thanx for any help...
 
Old 01-10-2007, 06:28 AM   #7
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tcrew, forget Vista. Most of your system will be fine, but I doubt if your older 6600 nvidea card will cope. My 6600GT couldn't.

Indygunfreak's is the right advice if you want to game. There is not the support for full on gaming, yet, under Linux. At least not for the high end stuff, older games like Sims, earlier versions of UT, etc Okay. Not the later 3d games.

We all have our preferences, mine is Mandriva, formerly Mandrake. I even have Mandriva 2006 on my Acer Aspire 300 laptop, set up as a server.

Use VMWare to try as many versions as you can, that way you can choose what suits you best.

Best wishes.

shorty943

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Old 01-10-2007, 06:55 AM   #8
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Hehe the problem i'm having is i got a hard drive full of different versions of Linux.. Everytime i look at one i like it.....

How many Linux OS can you install on a system..? Like could i put say 4 versions on. I am testing in VMware which is great to get a general feel of a version, and it runs fine, but with VMWare it's using a emu for the graphics card, and must run a little slower than a proper install. So if i can install say 4 versions, then i can fully test each one.
 
Old 01-10-2007, 07:26 AM   #9
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How many Linux OS can you install on a system..?
Here's something interesting.
How to install and boot 145 systems.
A Grub menu booting 100+systems.
 
Old 01-10-2007, 07:47 AM   #10
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Originally Posted by shrikant.odugoudar

All i can say is WOW..........!
 
  


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