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Old 05-12-2004, 06:21 PM   #1
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what is the most mac like linux?


I've been using an iMac for the past 4 years and realy liked it, unfortunatly it died and someone gave me a athelon based PC. It currently has Microshit WindowsXP, which I absolutly hate. I want to put Linux on it, but I'm confused by the different distributions, configurations, etc, and I'm not very technically savy (i've tried reading a Man page, it might as well be Greek to me). I want the most easy to use and easy to configure Linux as posible , but i don't want one that tries to look and feel like MS Windows. My iMac had a look and feel that was elegant and smooth, and I loved it. Is there a Linux distribution that will give me something more Mac like than windows like?
 
Old 05-12-2004, 06:43 PM   #2
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to a non technical person, all the distro will be about the same. I'd go with Redhat Fedora Core or SUSE.
 
Old 05-12-2004, 07:00 PM   #3
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I'm told Gnome 2.6 is quite 'Mac-like' - it opens folders in new windows and has a simple, elegant look to it. Think OS9 more than OSX.

It will come with Fedora Core 2, which should be out Real Soon Now.

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Old 05-12-2004, 07:10 PM   #4
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My condolenses on your iMac loss. I've been an avid Mac user for years. Unfortunately, I haven't really found any linux desktop that comes close to the functionality and feel of OS X. Sure, there are desktop themes out there that try to emulate OS X, but they are usually resource heavy and slow things down.

Everybody has there favorite distro. I personally like Fedora as there's a large support community and you can do "most" of your configurations via a window. Installation has a nice GUI and is fairly intuitive also. If you do go Fedora, stay away from the test releases. The newest version of Fedora (Core 2) will be released on the 17th.
 
Old 05-12-2004, 07:15 PM   #5
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There are a few Linux-based systems that try to make things really easy and graphical. Those that I know of are Xandros, Lycoris and Linspire (formerly LindowsOS). These cost money, though. I've never used them. I've also never used Mac, to be honest, but I think Mandrake, RH, Fedora, SuSE and the like should be easy enough and visually attractive enough for anyone.
 
Old 05-13-2004, 03:14 AM   #6
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There are a few Linux-based systems that try to make things really easy and graphical. Those that I know of are Xandros, Lycoris and Linspire (formerly LindowsOS).
These are the very distros that I was saying are too windows like, I don't know why the fuck they think they need to emulate Microshit. is there a wa to mac them less windows like and more mac like?
 
Old 05-13-2004, 03:23 AM   #7
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My condolenses on your iMac loss. I've been an avid Mac user for years. Unfortunately, I haven't really found any linux desktop that comes close to the functionality and feel of OS X. Sure, there are desktop themes out there that try to emulate OS X, but they are usually resource heavy and slow things down.
Thanks for your support, you really seem to understand what I'm talking about. I really don't understand why no one can make a Linux GUI that compares to the Mac, and is not a fucking resource hog
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Everybody has there favorite distro. I personally like Fedora as there's a large support community and you can do "most" of your configurations via a window. Installation has a nice GUI and is fairly intuitive also. If you do go Fedora, stay away from the test releases. The newest version of Fedora (Core 2) will be released on the 17th.
I went to the fedora website and it was very confusing. If I can't figure out the website, do you think I could figure out the distro?
 
Old 05-13-2004, 03:59 AM   #8
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I really don't understand why no one can make a Linux GUI that compares to the Mac, and is not a fucking resource hog
I went to the fedora website and it was very confusing. If I can't figure out the website, do you think I could figure out the distro?
The reason no-one has come up with a user interface to match OSX's Aqua/Quartz is that no-one else has been pouring millions of dollars into interface research like Apple has. Apple has always spent vast sums of money on design and has always hired the best people to work for them. E.g. Susan Kare's artwork early on etc. Free software projects are getting there, but it's hard to compete with this.

OSX's UI is an absolutely enormous resource hog though. I used to use 10.1 on a 400MHz iMac (the fastest iMac you could get at the time) and it was one of the most painful experiences I have ever had with a computer until i went back to System 9.2. It's only recently been really usable as they've passed off most of the rendering onto the video card, taking the strain off the processor. This, however, means that old(ish) Macs can't use the latest version because their video cards aren't up to the job - Linux in contrast is able to run on very old and varied hardware (if a bit slowly on some).

If you're looking for a blisteringly quick full desktop environment, XFCE4 is just that. If you like a lot of power to configure your system to the finest detail, KDE is probably the way to go. Gnome sits somewhere in the middle. The bottom line is, if you want a Mac, buy a Mac.

I fully agree about the Fedora website - it's a bit of a nightmare to navigate, but RedHat have put a lot of work into making their distro installers very simple, and their GUI configuration tools are excellent (although I have never used then myself). The whole experience with RedHat / Fedora is really quite polished.

Just my $0.02, as ever.

Dave

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Old 05-13-2004, 06:02 AM   #9
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You aren't going to find something for free that emulates OSX perfectly. I find KDE to be a nice cross between windows XP and Mac OS in terms of features and functionality. Honestly to me the OSX interface is bloated and (well.. this was on a g3 laptop of a friend so I know nothing).. looked slow. I'm sure some of the mac hating is coming out in me.. I just don't like the idea of preconfigured pcs that you can't build. I don't care how good it is.. I want to make it myself.. lol..
 
Old 05-13-2004, 10:25 AM   #10
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I just don't like the idea of preconfigured pcs that you can't build. I don't care how good it is.. I want to make it myself.. lol..
I so agree with that.
 
Old 05-13-2004, 10:29 AM   #11
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iChick, you should just try Mandrake, Fedora or SuSE. You can't expect something else to be entirely like Mac. That would be unreasonable. Mac OSX has some clear advantages over any Linux distro (since it can run all Linux apps, everything else is obviously an advantage). However, these distros are very easy to get going with, you have a great support community here at LQ, and I find that Linux is simply infectious. Before you know it, you'll be loving your Linux system, believe me.
 
Old 05-13-2004, 10:40 AM   #12
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I went to the fedora website and it was very confusing. If I can't figure out the website, do you think I could figure out the distro?
I never really got much use out of Fedora's website, other than finding mirror servers to download ISOs from. I use http://fedoranews.org and this website religiously when I have problems or questions. Just do a little bit of searching here and you can usually find someone who's either had the same problem or is willing to help out.

The Fedora installation GUI walks you through the installation process with ease. It's not something to worry about.

But like a prevous poster said, if you want a Mac, buy a Mac

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OSX's UI is an absolutely enormous resource hog though. I used to use 10.1 on a 400MHz iMac (the fastest iMac you could get at the time) and it was one of the most painful experiences I have ever had with a computer until i went back to System 9.2.
This is unfortunately true. I'm using a G3 PowerBook 400MHz with OS 10.3.3 and it's sluggish in some areas. For day to day use (websurfing, email, chat, document processing...) it works great, but when I try to use resource entensive apps like PhotoShop or Illustrator, it's very slow and I have to go back to 9.2.2 to be productive. It works for me though and I still love my Mac

The same can be said to my Linux box. I have an Athlon 1800 that I think "screams" in Windoze, but feels very sluggish in KDE and Gnome, much like my Mac feels in OS X. I'm sure I can tweak the kernel or use a different desktop to make things faster.

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I just don't like the idea of preconfigured pcs that you can't build. I don't care how good it is.. I want to make it myself.. lol..
I love the idea of Frankensteining or customizing a PC for my tastes. But... this is not for everyone.
 
Old 05-13-2004, 11:31 AM   #13
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[QUOTEThe same can be said to my Linux box. I have an Athlon 1800 that I think "screams" in Windoze, but feels very sluggish in KDE and Gnome, much like my Mac feels in OS X. [/B][/QUOTE]
That is strange my 1800 Medion PC is slightly faster using Suse 8.2 than Win XP (despite a recent re-install of Win XP) with KDE.
I think that it should be possible to get it to be faster.
It should be possible to speed it up, possibly you are running services you don't need.
 
Old 05-13-2004, 01:25 PM   #14
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I've gone through the services and turned off what I don't need and installed the Nvidia driver but KDE (3.2.1) is still slower "for me" compared to Windows XP. There's probably some more tweaking I could do, but I'm waiting for FC2 to come out next week before I invest anymore time with it.

Good luck iChick!
 
Old 05-13-2004, 01:37 PM   #15
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Every one of my computers (5-6 in all) is significantly faster with KDE or Gnome (Mandrake or Slackware uderneath) than with Win 2k/XP. With no 'tweaking' at all. The difference is greater on the P3's than on the brand-spanking-new P4's, but it exists nonetheless.
 
  


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