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Old 09-10-2019, 08:47 PM   #1
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What's the best free secure email service to use?


Protonmail seems too complicated for me. Tutanota looks good but I figured I'd ask you guys for suggestions. Thanks.
 
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What do you mean by "secure"?
Gmail?
Not sure what's actually happening with AOL/Yahoo/Oath/Verizon yet. I've stopped using Yahoo and don't see much change in my I-almost-never-use AOL accounts so far.

AFAIK, any email can be encrypted, but I suspect ProtonMail doing it automagically is probably the "best"

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Old 09-10-2019, 09:30 PM   #3
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I don't know which one is the "best" one but I like ProtonMail. Not sure what's so complicated about it.
 
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Yeah I was coming to suggest Protonmail too, the only complicated thing I see is having to put two passwords in; one to unlock it and one to unencrypted it...
 
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Old 09-11-2019, 12:53 PM   #5
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What do you mean by "secure"?
Gmail?
Not sure what's actually happening with AOL/Yahoo/Oath/Verizon yet. I've stopped using Yahoo and don't see much change in my I-almost-never-use AOL accounts so far.

AFAIK, any email can be encrypted, but I suspect ProtonMail doing it automagically is probably the "best"
Thanks Sean.
 
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Erm, yeah, any mail service can support encryption. In my experience PGP with things like Thunderbird extensions is fairly easy to use but everyone must sewt these things up.
Something I have been using is Signal which I have to admit goes over my head as regards the encryption but it is supported by the EFF and seems to work well. Only downside is it may require some kind of "smart phone" to activate.
 
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I don't know which one is the "best" one but I like ProtonMail. Not sure what's so complicated about it.
Thanks m.a.l.'s pa. I get a little overwhelmed comparing all the features between ProtonMail and Tutanota. I'm looking for security but also convenience. I would really like IMAP (which to me means I can access and/or delete emails on my home and work computers and they will stay in sync) but ProtonMail has "bridges" and only with the paid account, and it seems Tutanota doesn't have it at all. I understand that when two people are both using either of the services, the emails go encrypted, but I'm not sure what happens when sending to someone say in gmail.
 
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You get an email saying:
You have received a secure message from

<whomever>@protonmail.com

with a button that says "view secure message".

Upon clicking, you're taken to a website that prompts you for the decryption password. Upon entering it, your message is displayed on the site. Once the time limit lapses, you will instead get a message "this message no longer exists".
 
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Yeah I was coming to suggest Protonmail too, the only complicated thing I see is having to put two passwords in; one to unlock it and one to unencrypted it...
Thanks jamison. So every time I get an email I have to put in the two passwords? And so it's the same for the person I'm sending to (if they have a ProtonEmail account)? But what about when I send from my ProtonEmail account to somebody who let's say has gmail or yahoo email?
 
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Erm, yeah, any mail service can support encryption. In my experience PGP with things like Thunderbird extensions is fairly easy to use but everyone must sewt these things up.
Something I have been using is Signal which I have to admit goes over my head as regards the encryption but it is supported by the EFF and seems to work well. Only downside is it may require some kind of "smart phone" to activate.
Thanks 273. Signal is news to me. I will check it out. It looks fairly Linux friendly.
 
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You get an email saying:
You have received a secure message from

<whomever>@protonmail.com

with a button that says "view secure message".

Upon clicking, you're taken to a website that prompts you for the decryption password. Upon entering it, your message is displayed on the site. Once the time limit lapses, you will instead get a message "this message no longer exists".
Thanks Timothy. Two examples. 1)We both have Proton accounts and I send you an email. Do you need to enter the decryption password?
2) Only one of us has a Proton account. Let's say I have the account and you have gmail. I send to you and you have to go through the process you described, right? But that would mean I would need to give you the decryption password before sending the email? And is the password a one time thing or would we need a new password for every email?
 
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Thanks 273. Signal is news to me. I will check it out. It looks fairly Linux friendly.
I've been using it for a while and it works well.
My previous post meant to highlight that an encryption process only works when everyone is using it. I've tried to use pgp but people like my little old mum can't really use it and it's difficult to use on multiple devices also.
Ironically, if I wanted to give my every move to Facebook their communications do seem to have some level of encryption -- I mean the companies they bought in order to silence.
 
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Thanks Timothy. Two examples. 1)We both have Proton accounts and I send you an email. Do you need to enter the decryption password?
2) Only one of us has a Proton account. Let's say I have the account and you have gmail. I send to you and you have to go through the process you described, right? But that would mean I would need to give you the decryption password before sending the email? And is the password a one time thing or would we need a new password for every email?
1. Normally, If you encrypt the email, you need to have the decryption password every time. I don't know anyone else with a protonmail account to test if protonmail > protonmail still requires it. I know Hushmail is able to send encrypted email to other Hushmail accounts without password, but I've never actually emails another protonmail user.

2. Yes, you'd need to provide the decyrption password in a non-encrypted email. But this is going to be the same with almost any form of encrypted email that goes across the web to a non-encrypted account.
 
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Old 09-11-2019, 08:09 PM   #14
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I've been using it for a while and it works well.
My previous post meant to highlight that an encryption process only works when everyone is using it. I've tried to use pgp but people like my little old mum can't really use it and it's difficult to use on multiple devices also.
Ironically, if I wanted to give my every move to Facebook their communications do seem to have some level of encryption -- I mean the companies they bought in order to silence.
Thanks for the clarification, 273.
 
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1. Normally, If you encrypt the email, you need to have the decryption password every time. I don't know anyone else with a protonmail account to test if protonmail > protonmail still requires it. I know Hushmail is able to send encrypted email to other Hushmail accounts without password, but I've never actually emails another protonmail user.

2. Yes, you'd need to provide the decyrption password in a non-encrypted email. But this is going to be the same with almost any form of encrypted email that goes across the web to a non-encrypted account.
Thanks Timothy. So if you sent to my Gmail accouont from your ProtonMail, I would get an email with the encryption key first and then the actual email? And then when I tried to open the email I would be unable to without the encryption key, right?
 
  


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