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Old 10-03-2014, 02:33 PM   #1
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Question Web site version of a program much newer than the one in Synaptic


Hi guys,
I'm new to Linux.
I've searched the 'net, but I can't find the answer.
The problem I have is this: I'm learning Linux and chose a Debian distro.
I installed Vuze thru Synaptic and it installed Vuze 4.3, but on their website the version is 5.4.
Why is Synaptic not having the latest stable release?
Is there a way to force Synaptic to check for a newer version?
If not, how do I upgrade?

Thank you all.

ZipGuy.
 
Old 10-03-2014, 03:02 PM   #2
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Distros never include the very latest release, especially not with a "server" release like Debian stable. The developers run everything through tests over and over again to make sure that not only is that package stable and reliable, but that it won't cause any problems with other programs, all of the dependencies are available in the correct versions, etc. While Vuze may be up to 5.4, there's a good chance that 5.4 requires some new version of a library that isn't included in Debian, because to update that library to the necessary version for Vuze 5.4 would break some other program that depends on it.

So you have a few choices:
1) Deal with it (not being rude, just being serious - do you absolutely need this newer version?)

2) Compile and install the latest version of Vuze yourself, and deal with whatever dependency issues might arise manually.

3) Use a more "aggressive" distro instead of Debian stable, such as Ubuntu or Fedora. They'll run newer versions of various programs and libraries, but don't be surprised when things spontaneously break for seemingly no reason, it's part of the package when running the latest and "greatest".

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Old 10-03-2014, 03:31 PM   #3
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Distros never include the very latest release, especially not with a "server" release like Debian stable. The developers run everything through tests over and over again to make sure that not only is that package stable and reliable, but that it won't cause any problems with other programs, all of the dependencies are available in the correct versions, etc. While Vuze may be up to 5.4, there's a good chance that 5.4 requires some new version of a library that isn't included in Debian, because to update that library to the necessary version for Vuze 5.4 would break some other program that depends on it.

So you have a few choices:
1) Deal with it (not being rude, just being serious - do you absolutely need this newer version?)

2) Compile and install the latest version of Vuze yourself, and deal with whatever dependency issues might arise manually.

3) Use a more "aggressive" distro instead of Debian stable, such as Ubuntu or Fedora. They'll run newer versions of various programs and libraries, but don't be surprised when things spontaneously break for seemingly no reason, it's part of the package when running the latest and "greatest".
Thank you very much, your kind and helpful answer shed some light on my ignorance about Linux.
I guess that with time, the Synaptic version will be upgraded.

Thanks again.
 
Old 10-03-2014, 03:40 PM   #4
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It sounds to me like you'd be happier with the testing (Jessie) release of Debian. Testing is a "rolling release" where packages are constantly being upgraded as they go through the testing process. Even if you run your updater every day using Testing you're likely to find newer versions of some packages on your system. There's no reason to go to another distro. With Debian you can select the speed of updating that suits you (stable, testing, unstable). From what you've said I'm guessing that you're better off with Jessie.
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Old 10-04-2014, 06:08 AM   #5
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Vuze package is the same release from wheezy to sid.
 
Old 10-04-2014, 06:34 AM   #6
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It sounds to me like you'd be happier with the testing (Jessie) release of Debian. Testing is a "rolling release" where packages are constantly being upgraded as they go through the testing process.
Testing goes into freeze on November 5 so no new features will be added for about 6 months while they iron out the RC bugs that stop testing from becoming stable. Sid also slows right down during testing's freeze.

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Vuze package is the same release from wheezy to sid.
And by Debian packages it isn't currently available in Jessie.
 
Old 10-04-2014, 06:39 AM   #7
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Testing goes into freeze on November 5 so no new features will be added for about 6 months while they iron out the RC bugs that stop testing from becoming stable. Sid also slows right down during testing's freeze.

And by Debian packages it isn't currently available in Jessie.
I was speaking in general terms and not specifically about Vuze. I'd be surprised if Testing freezes for 6 months. It's never been frozen for longer than a month or two since I've been using it. If there hasn't been a change in policy by Debian I wouldn't expect a six month freeze.
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Old 10-04-2014, 11:00 AM   #8
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And by Debian packages it isn't currently available in Jessie
But it is available in wheezy & sid.
 
Old 10-04-2014, 06:23 PM   #9
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I was speaking in general terms and not specifically about Vuze. I'd be surprised if Testing freezes for 6 months. It's never been frozen for longer than a month or two since I've been using it. If there hasn't been a change in policy by Debian I wouldn't expect a six month freeze.
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Wheezy went into freeze June 30 2012 but was not released until May 4 2013. That is 10 months.
Squeeze went into freeze on August 6 2010 but was not released until February 6 2011. That is 6 months.
Lenny went into freeze on July 27 2008 but was not released until February 15 2009. That is over 6 months.
At least the last 3 releases have been 6 months or more. Ubuntu freezes for a month or two.
 
Old 10-04-2014, 09:56 PM   #10
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For what it's worth, in my experience, having the latest release of a program doesn't usually make much difference in terms of day-to-day usage, as long as the program is a mature one, such as the GIMP.

It's relatively rare to see major changes in Linux programs from version to version (though it sometimes happens, as with the GIMP 2.8 release), as Linux developers aren't looking to convince paying customers to buy new versions.

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Old 10-04-2014, 11:27 PM   #11
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Usually debian releases in feb but if it's not ready they won't & I can respect that. With systemd being implemented I wouldn't doubt if it's later than wheezy was.
 
Old 10-05-2014, 01:17 AM   #12
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Wheezy went into freeze June 30 2012 but was not released until May 4 2013. That is 10 months.
Squeeze went into freeze on August 6 2010 but was not released until February 6 2011. That is 6 months.
Lenny went into freeze on July 27 2008 but was not released until February 15 2009. That is over 6 months.
At least the last 3 releases have been 6 months or more. Ubuntu freezes for a month or two.
I stand corrected. Perhaps during that period various security updates, etc. were released into Testing but not into the soon-to-be latest stable. I fully understand the freeze for the upcoming stable but I'm not certain if Testing is held up until the new stable is released. It may well be so but I don't see any logical reason why it's done that way.
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Old 10-05-2014, 02:31 AM   #13
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I stand corrected. Perhaps during that period various security updates, etc. were released into Testing but not into the soon-to-be latest stable. I fully understand the freeze for the upcoming stable but I'm not certain if Testing is held up until the new stable is released. It may well be so but I don't see any logical reason why it's done that way.
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When testing goes into freeze we don't get a stable-beta and a separate testing that still keeps going, even Sid slows down.
 
  


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