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Old 07-19-2010, 09:03 PM   #1
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hi, im REALLY new with linux and ive downloaded and installed Ubuntu...now heres the question..

how do i set up WLAN internet use???

ive tried using ipconfig/all on windows command but im not sure which info to use where save for the Physical Address going towards the MAC Address info

any help is appreciated

pls and thank you
 
Old 07-19-2010, 09:32 PM   #2
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So the Ubuntu alternative is very close for ipconfig ... change to ifconfig. On its own it will tell you what is running in your machine and what has been detected.

I am surprised you were not asked to input your password for the detected network the moment Ubuntu started and you logged in (this has been the default on all my installs).
Let us know if ifconfig shows that it recognises your wlan0 card and we can go from there. If not we may need to do other trouble shooting first.
 
Old 07-19-2010, 09:35 PM   #3
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you're gonna have to walk me through this one with baby steps...windows 7 isnt as cooperative as a GUI environment as windows 98 se and Linux, well, is new to me. so im a bit lost from the get go...

here are my further questions...

question 1: "ifconfig" is a valid ms-dos command?
question 2: ubuntu never autodetected my LAN/WLAN settings hence my pickle over here, is it SUPPOSED to do autodetect at first startup from install?
question 3: will i be able to set a WLAN autodetect from a Linux "Control Panel" and just complete the subsequent necessities to the point where all I have to enter is the WLAN password and things are complete?

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Old 07-19-2010, 11:23 PM   #4
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question 1: "ifconfig" is a valid ms-dos command?
No. It is a valid Ubuntu / most linuxes command line command
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question 2: ubuntu never autodetected my LAN/WLAN settings hence my pickle over here, is it SUPPOSED to do autodetect at first startup from install?
It always has for me but I have heard of some hardware not playing quite so nicely.
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question 3: will i be able to set a WLAN autodetect from a Linux "Control Panel" and just complete the subsequent necessities to the point where all I have to enter is the WLAN password and things are complete?
Ubuntu does not have a "Control Panel" as such, but it does have a "Network Manager" which displays in the top left of the screen and would look like a wireless connection
signal. You should be able to right click and choose to connect to your wireless station
 
Old 07-19-2010, 11:54 PM   #5
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Here's a site which which goes over the wireless basics for Ubuntu.

Wireless is Linux's Achilles heel, because many providers of wireless devices do not provide good Linux drivers (I am on a wireless connection right now, but my computer came with Ubuntu Linux factory-installed). You might have to hunt for drivers for your wireless card.

I have used the ndis wrapper with success on some computers, but it can be whifty and did not work on others.

ifconfig is sort of equivalent to ipconfig. Linux is a whole nother OS and DOS commands cannot be expected to work on Linux; where the commands are the same, it is merely coincidence.

However, there is usually an equivant *nix to a DOS or Windows command (and it is usually more versatile).

Here is good general introduction to Linux.

I started using Linux five years ago. At this point, I no longer use Windows unless I am required to by customers.

Linux is not difficult; it's just different. Windows is not computing. It's just one way of computing. Frankly, I find Linux a lot easier, but I have taken my time to learn about it, and, the more I've learned, the more I like it.

ciao303, there is a learning curve, because Linux is different. But Linux is not difficult.
 
Old 07-20-2010, 12:16 AM   #6
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thanks for the additional concern. i have another question, where do i find the linux command line option?

seems a little bit obtuse that an integrity reputable product such as Linux presents itself as a picky eater amidst all of the convenient consumables (entries of people having different start up experience under the same Linux product...."mine worked fine from the get go, not so sure about others") im trying to find a linux environment idiot friendly enough to be considered a casual replacement for windows...Mandriva perhaps?

(windows and microsoft is proving more and more of a bunch of imbeciles who cant produce products that might even qualify for the phrase "it sucks but it works" ...heck Gates might even have the epiphany of creating vacuum cleaners (insert thought of a blue screen equivalent of a regular household vacuum cleaner...now youve got a product who cant even suck even if its life depended on it c/o especially by Microsoft and Co.))


actually im lookin into taking a course about unix/linux to lighten things up...reason being behind the inquiries is that im trying to get a workable headstart into unix/linux environment in a newbie DIY basis

thanks much.


P.S. if its not too much to ask, can u guys provide screenshots of your suggestions with superimposed instructions regarding whats in the picture(s)

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Old 07-20-2010, 01:20 AM   #7
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Well frankbell has hit the nail on the head that you have a learning curve in front of you.

The Terminal application (used to run the command line arguments people send you like ifconfig) can be found under Applications -> Accessories

Not quite sure what you meant by this:
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seems a little bit obtuse that an integrity reputable product such as Linux presents itself as a picky eater amidst all of the convenient consumables
Other than, as frankbell said, it may well be a driver issue and for arguments sake, until windows 7 all previous versions of windows were unable to use ANY network
devices until drivers were loaded.

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P.S. if its not too much to ask, can u guys provide screenshots of your suggestions with superimposed instructions regarding whats in the picture(s)
The general idea with Linux is you get pointed in the right direction but doing the hard yards yourself is what will make it easier in the long run.
Linux is very much a learn by doing process.
 
Old 07-20-2010, 01:31 AM   #8
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to check the status of wireless networks

hi you can type the command "iwconfig" to know the status od the wireless networks present on your system.
 
Old 07-20-2010, 01:35 AM   #9
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hi "ciao303"

for the question "question 2: ubuntu never autodetected my LAN/WLAN settings hence my pickle over here, is it SUPPOSED to do autodetect at first startup from install?"

I have installed ubuntu lucid on my laptop and the wireless didnot work for me initially, I connected my laptop using LAN and updated the software, during the updation, it installed 2 software which are related to wireless and after the restart, my wireless connection was established automatically as I started the system.
 
Old 07-20-2010, 10:21 AM   #10
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hi, im REALLY new with linux and ive downloaded and installed Ubuntu...now heres the question..

how do i set up WLAN internet use???

ive tried using ipconfig/all on windows command but im not sure which info to use where save for the Physical Address going towards the MAC Address info

any help is appreciated

pls and thank you
Welcome to the forums! This entire conversation is highly hypothetical until you figure out what kind of network card you have.

You can use the terminal command 'lspci' (without the quotes) to find out exactly which "chipset" your wireless card uses. Armed with that information, you can begin to search for answers.

Also, it would be helpful if you would follow the advice that was given to you already in post #2 and use the 'ifconfig' command. Copy & paste the results here so we know what you're dealing with and can help you. People give you these commands because they are trying to help, not trying to confuse you.

I guarantee you that once your card is recognized by Ubuntu, it really is as easy as clicking the Network Manager icon, selecting your network, and typing the password.
 
Old 07-20-2010, 10:49 AM   #11
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(snip)...im trying to find a linux environment idiot friendly enough to be considered a casual replacement for windows...Mandriva perhaps?...(snip)
For easy, idiot friendly, everything just works, I have been extremely happy with Linux Mint. For everything else, it's Slackware for me. But I would not recommend Slackware for a beginner.
 
Old 07-20-2010, 03:46 PM   #12
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Well frankbell has hit the nail on the head that you have a learning curve in front of you.

The Terminal application (used to run the command line arguments people send you like ifconfig) can be found under Applications -> Accessories

Not quite sure what you meant by this:

just asking why linux takes too much someones time for to get set up when windows will basically run you through the basics and get you started quite easily...
 
Old 07-20-2010, 08:56 PM   #13
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just asking why linux takes too much someones time for to get set up when windows will basically run you through the basics and get you started quite easily..
This is quite an interesting statement. What this actually means is that you have installed Windows so many times and are particularly familiar with the process.
I am currently working for a company and part of my job is to create the company SOE (Standard Operating Environment) for all machines and as with most companies
we have yet to adopt Windows 7 so are still using Windows XP. By default NONE of the machines I create images for allow me to use ANY devices apart from standard
video and input devices, ie the video card, sound card and any network devices are available until drivers are installed. So now becomes the interesting part, "How to get the drivers?" Well the standard way would be either from the vendors website (that you can't get to) or from media such as CD which in my case is not supplied.
This leaves me with going to another machine to get the drivers (as an example my most recent image required 15 drivers to be downloaded), transfer to media and then install
on new machine.

In comparison, whilst i understand your wireless card is not working, I would say that a very high percentage (80+ would be my guess) of ethernet cards are supported out
of the box.

Just a comparison
 
Old 07-20-2010, 09:29 PM   #14
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just asking why linux takes too much someones time for to get set up when windows will basically run you through the basics and get you started quite easily...
Well, let me suggest a different perspective.

If all you want to do is email, web browsing, and word processing, a number of Linux distros are as out of the box as Windows (except for all the security holes).

You've probably spent years learning how to use Windows, but it was one piece at a time. Now you are looking at learning Linux all at once, so it seems like a bigger job.

It isn't.

And your computer experience gives you a frame of reference that will help you make sense of Linux.

I started with DOS 5 and Windows 3.1. By the time I started learning Linux, I had spent over 15 years learning DOS and Windows, a piece at a time.

Many years ago, I set up a Slackware 10.2 box for my daughter and UPSed it to her, along with a printout of the passwords and the command to start the GUI (it was Slackware--the GUI does not start automatically by default, though you can make it sew). All she did was email, web browsing, and word processing. I never got support call one from her and she didn't know Linux from a hotdog, but she used that box for years.

It's when you get into drivers and other behind the scenes stuff that you need a little more technical knowledge.
 
Old 07-20-2010, 10:09 PM   #15
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just asking why linux takes too much someones time for to get set up when windows will basically run you through the basics and get you started quite easily...
Because windows comes preinstalled for you and the hardware vendors provide drivers for their hardware.

Have you ever tried installing windows from scratch on a random laptop?

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