LinuxQuestions.org
Latest LQ Deal: Linux Power User Bundle
Go Back   LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Newbie
User Name
Password
Linux - Newbie This Linux forum is for members that are new to Linux.
Just starting out and have a question? If it is not in the man pages or the how-to's this is the place!

Notices


Reply
  Search this Thread
Old 07-29-2008, 04:43 PM   #1
felixk
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 60

Rep: Reputation: 15
Ubuntu for debian user


This is a response to "the LQ new member" invitation to type my first message.

I am looking for URIs that spell out what packages are on an Ubuntu disk.

I now use Debian stable (from DVDs) because I do not have access to broadband and online updates are not viable.

Would a switch to Ubuntu solve anything?

Felix
 
Old 07-29-2008, 05:11 PM   #2
{BBI}Nexus{BBI}
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Nottingham, UK
Distribution: Mageia 5, Linux Lite
Posts: 4,312

Rep: Reputation: 210Reputation: 210Reputation: 210
Quote:
Would a switch to Ubuntu solve anything?
In a word "No" you would still be stuck with no access to updates as they are also delivered online.
 
Old 07-30-2008, 05:55 PM   #3
felixk
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 60

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by {BBI}Nexus{BBI} View Post
In a word "No" you would still be stuck with no access to updates as they are also delivered online.
It is a little more complicated.

Debian (stable) is updated about once every 2 years. Ubuntu issues updates (on disk) every few months. The Ubuntu disks contain selected packages from Debian unstable.

Mixing Debian stable and Debian unstable packages is a can of worms, that I would prefer to not-open.

Felix
 
Old 07-30-2008, 06:52 PM   #4
{BBI}Nexus{BBI}
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Nottingham, UK
Distribution: Mageia 5, Linux Lite
Posts: 4,312

Rep: Reputation: 210Reputation: 210Reputation: 210
Is the reason why you want this list because you want to avoid the 'unstable' packages and make use of the 'stable' ones?
 
Old 07-30-2008, 07:31 PM   #5
john test
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2008
Distribution: ubuntu 9.10
Posts: 527
Blog Entries: 1

Rep: Reputation: 35
Quote:
Originally Posted by felixk View Post
This is a response to "the LQ new member" invitation to type my first message.

I am looking for URIs that spell out what packages are on an Ubuntu disk.

I now use Debian stable (from DVDs) because I do not have access to broadband and online updates are not viable.

Would a switch to Ubuntu solve anything?

Felix
What Problem are you trying to solve? I'm sorry if I've missed it but I don't see a problem statement above. The package manager that came with your Distro should show you all available apps installed and uninstalled. (Synaptics is the package Manager that came with mine)
 
Old 07-31-2008, 06:15 PM   #6
felixk
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 60

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by {BBI}Nexus{BBI} View Post
Is the reason why you want this list because you want to avoid the 'unstable' packages and make use of the 'stable' ones?
I do not want to ruin my current Debian stable OS by adding some "unstable" packages - even if I manage to download them with a 56k modem and learn how to use "pinning".

But I have room on my computer for a second OS (e.g. Ubuntu). It claims to have about 4 Gb of packages on the supplied CD.

With luck, that would give me a chance to look at the recent developments in many of the programmes that I use routinely without breaking what I now have. With even greater luck, I might be able to feed some of the packages on my Debian stable DVDs into the Ubuntu setup.

I hope that this also answers the query posted by john best.

Felix
 
Old 07-31-2008, 06:41 PM   #7
{BBI}Nexus{BBI}
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Nottingham, UK
Distribution: Mageia 5, Linux Lite
Posts: 4,312

Rep: Reputation: 210Reputation: 210Reputation: 210
Ah I see. There's this link:
Code:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+allpackages
 
Old 08-01-2008, 06:12 PM   #8
felixk
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 60

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by {BBI}Nexus{BBI} View Post
Ah I see. There's this link:
Code:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+allpackages
This lists *all* the available Ubuntu packages (17157 source packages). I (was/still am) hoping to find out what compiled packages are on the Ubuntu disk.

Felix
 
Old 08-01-2008, 07:01 PM   #9
{BBI}Nexus{BBI}
Senior Member
 
Registered: Jan 2005
Location: Nottingham, UK
Distribution: Mageia 5, Linux Lite
Posts: 4,312

Rep: Reputation: 210Reputation: 210Reputation: 210
Quote:
Originally Posted by felixk View Post
This lists *all* the available Ubuntu packages (17157 source packages). I (was/still am) hoping to find out what compiled packages are on the Ubuntu disk.

Felix
See here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeedManagement.
 
Old 08-01-2008, 07:26 PM   #10
lurko
Member
 
Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Distribution: Debian
Posts: 448

Rep: Reputation: 35
If you boot the liveCD, you can run dpkg -l | grep "^i" to get a list of installed packages. Presumably that would include every package included on the CD/DVD. Or start aptitude and expand the Installed Packages section.

Last edited by lurko; 08-01-2008 at 07:27 PM.
 
Old 08-02-2008, 01:53 AM   #11
dagoth_pie
LQ Newbie
 
Registered: May 2008
Posts: 3

Rep: Reputation: 0
I've heard of a thing called apt on cd, its where you download the packages and updates to a cd so that you can install them without downloading anything, if you know someone who has broadband and would let you borrow their connection then it would be worth looking into, plus it would run on either debian or ubuntu
 
Old 08-02-2008, 05:38 PM   #12
felixk
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 60

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by lurko View Post
If you boot the **liveCD**, you can run dpkg -l | grep "^i" to get a list of installed packages. Presumably that would include every package included on the CD/DVD. Or start aptitude and expand the Installed Packages section.
This is broadening my horizons!

I have read references to "liveCD". Now I have got the needed push to follow up the references.

Thank you for that advice.

The other new suggestion is somewhat more difficult - since I want to continue to keep good relations with friends who use broadband. Before going down that route, I would need to know what I am size download asking of them.

Felix
 
Old 08-02-2008, 06:53 PM   #13
lurko
Member
 
Registered: Jun 2006
Location: Ontario, Canada
Distribution: Debian
Posts: 448

Rep: Reputation: 35
The link {BBI}Nexus{BBI} posted leads to your answer, but I can't be specific about it because I don't fully understand how it works. If you follow the link there(on the Seed Management info page) to view the current seeds and then select the variant you're after (likely ubuntu.hardy or kubuntu.hardy), you'll get a directory full of text files which are lists of packages. I don't think any one of these covers all the packages on a given CD though, different combinations of them make up the various Ubuntu CDs like Desktop, Server and Alternate. I couldn't figure out how you know which package lists together make up which CD however...

Last edited by lurko; 08-02-2008 at 06:55 PM.
 
Old 08-04-2008, 06:03 PM   #14
felixk
Member
 
Registered: Jul 2008
Posts: 60

Original Poster
Rep: Reputation: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by lurko View Post
The link {BBI}Nexus{BBI} posted leads to your answer, but I can't be specific about it because I don't fully understand how it works. If you follow the link there(on the Seed Management info page) to view the current seedsand then select the variant you're after (likely ubuntu.hardy or kubuntu.hardy), you'll get a directory full of text files which are lists of packages. I don't think any one of these covers all the packages on a given CD though, different combinations of them make up the various Ubuntu CDs like Desktop, Server and Alternate. I couldn't figure out how you know which package lists together make up which CD however...
I looked up the suggested URL and found what I was looking for (I think); the entries under '/dvd' looked promising.

My thanks to all who posted advice to this thread.

Felix
 
  


Reply

Tags
ubuntu


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off



Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
New Ubuntu user! jderosa3 LinuxQuestions.org Member Intro 3 12-05-2006 04:30 PM
is Ubuntu better than Debian? what's so great about Ubuntu anyway? hisnumber666isback Linux - Distributions 20 05-30-2006 06:19 AM

LinuxQuestions.org > Forums > Linux Forums > Linux - Newbie

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:09 AM.

Main Menu
Advertisement
My LQ
Write for LQ
LinuxQuestions.org is looking for people interested in writing Editorials, Articles, Reviews, and more. If you'd like to contribute content, let us know.
Main Menu
Syndicate
RSS1  Latest Threads
RSS1  LQ News
Twitter: @linuxquestions
Facebook: linuxquestions Google+: linuxquestions
Open Source Consulting | Domain Registration