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cordedpoodle 09-10-2003 01:02 PM

Total Frustration With Mozilla
 
RedHat 9 KDE

I installed the latest Mozilla.

Now can't find it. So far no one can tell me were to find it. The "Search for File" function is useless.

What is the name of the file? and how can I find it?

Thanks in advance.:mad: :mad:

rberry88 09-10-2003 01:30 PM

Did you un-install (delete) the previous version of Mozilla before installing the new version?? If not then you will have to do some digging to find the new mozilla folder. If you did then I'm not sure how to help if the 'locate' command is not working from a console.

rberry88

cordedpoodle 09-10-2003 02:38 PM

no I did not un-install the previous version.

One thing no one has been able to tell me is if the console is the same as the terminal. I can't find a console.

rberry88 09-10-2003 03:10 PM

Since you are using Kde, on the bottom of your screen there is an icon of a monitor with a seashell on it. If you hover your mouse over this icon it should say "Konsole". This should be sufficient for you to do what you are trying to do.

rberry88

cordedpoodle 09-10-2003 04:08 PM

There is no seashell icon. I installed both KDE and Gnome on the advice of a friend. However I was able to find the Konsole now that I know the correct spelling.

cordedpoodle 09-10-2003 04:13 PM

I tried the Konsole. It told me the same thing that the terminal told me.

usr/bin/mozilla

there is no mozilla in usr/bin

Genesee 09-10-2003 04:21 PM

first, you'd probably have to type: "/usr/bin/mozilla" - note the first forward slash.

did you try typing "locate *mozilla*" in a console? (without the quotes)

you may want to use "locate *mozilla* | more" if it scrolls off the top of the screen

:cool:

cordedpoodle 09-10-2003 05:40 PM

locate mozilla give me a list of about 100 files.

is the console the Konsole? ? ?

Arrrg!

All I want to do is find the actual Mozilla 1.4 file. Jeeze what a mess this OS is. I would also like to have it in the start menu but at this point I'm wondering if I'll ever get good enough to do something like that.

I found a file called Mozilla but when I click twice on it it tells me it's a shell script and then asks if i want to run it in the terminal or run the program. All I want to do it run the program without having ot run another program to run the program to start Mozilla. This is insane.

eltongeoff 09-10-2003 06:14 PM

dude ur kinda whiney.

anyway, do this command

type mozilla

and it should tell u where it is.
try looking as root, mebbe it's not in your path or u don't have access to some of the dirs.

and how did u install it?

Genesee 09-10-2003 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by eltongeoff
dude ur kinda whiney.

indeed.

as for 100's of files, that's why you can use "locate *mozilla* | more" - that will allow you to scroll thru the list of files containing the word mozilla. presumably that's what you're looking for.

yes, Konsole is a console. "console" is a generic term for the type of application. Konsole is a particular program that serves as a console.

there is no "actual" mozilla file - it's a collection of files. there is a single file that is used to launch the program, which should be called "mozilla," and is usually located in the dir "/usr/bin" have you tried typing "/usr/bin/mozilla" in a Konsole window?

if you right-click in the background or taskbar, you can create a new launcher, or icon, or whatever kde calls it. then you can click on that to launch mozilla without having to use a console.

cordedpoodle 09-10-2003 08:17 PM

Yeah, I know I'm whiney.

Man I just get so frustrated. I'm really interested in usability. Always have been, stuff like this just drives me into a state of hyper agitation.

Sorry, I appreciate the help really.

One of the problems is that I thought I was running KDE and I'm actually running Gnome. There is no way for a newbie to know that with the distro that I've installed. So I've been telling people I am running KDE.

Now I know how to switch. I'm not sure but maybe I'll like KDE more but for now Gnome.

cordedpoodle 09-10-2003 08:31 PM

Mozilla 1.2.1 was installed by RedHat. I downloaded 1.4 and installed it but allowed it to install in the default directory. I've since found it sort of.

Thanks for the advice about the console/Konsole/Terminal thing. Very confusing for a newbie. I have use command lines a little but hate it, to tell the truth. I'd venture to say that 99% of people hate command lines too.

I did find Mozilla but when I click on it it doesn't launch, it asks me if I want to run the script that launches it. That's very frustrating to me. I'm used to Macs or Windows.

My friend helped me replace the Mozilla icon in my toolbar but I think the start menu still has the old one. I'm now trying to figure out how to use the Add/Delete program. It's not clear how to use it.

synaptical 09-10-2003 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by cordedpoodle
Mozilla 1.2.1 was installed by RedHat. I downloaded 1.4 and installed it but allowed it to install in the default directory. I've since found it sort of.

Thanks for the advice about the console/Konsole/Terminal thing. Very confusing for a newbie. I have use command lines a little but hate it, to tell the truth. I'd venture to say that 99% of people hate command lines too.

My friend helped me replace the Mozilla icon in my toolbar but I think the start menu still has the old one. I'm now trying to figure out how to use the Add/Delete program. It's not clear how to use it.

just delete the Mozilla 1.2.1 directory, and any binary that says 1.2.1 (if any do). that will get rid of the old program (you'll probably have to be root for that).

as for your start menu, again, just right click on the icon and choose Remove This Item, similar to what you would do in windows. to add the new icon, go to Desktop Preferences -> Advanced -> Menu Editor, click on the icon for the group you want the new icon to go into (e.g., Internet), then create the new "shortcut" by right-clicking in the empty space and choosing New Launcher. the dialog that opens should be self-explanatory.

as for the command line, you'll learn to love it. :D when i go into windows now, it's like ... ugh ... where's the command line?! you wonder how you got anything done before without it.

Electro 09-10-2003 08:56 PM

Its not the OS. Its the user.

Any OS that you use keep an eye where you install programs.

locate can only be used if you run the database program every 8 days to refresh it.

You can use find by typing cd / && find -xdev -iname mozilla*

I hate using GUI but I liked using command prompt.

cordedpoodle 09-10-2003 10:15 PM

thanks for the help, all you guys.

Have to disagree with you though Electro. Users make mistakes because coders don't understand usabilty rules. A well designed interface is self explanitory. There are plenty of books out there on usability, and it's not personal preferences. There have been lots of scientific studies that indicate a lot of intesting thing about usability.

Otherwise we'd all be using command lines and there would be no GUIs.

That's the problem Linux has. Otherwise everyone would be using it instead of Windows or Macs. Most people won't bother with command lines. Many people that I know won't even touch a computer because of the negative attitudes of techies and the hassles. They just think they will have better lives without computers. I sometimes think so too.

I would suggest you might want ot read "Designing Visual Interfaces" by Kevin Mullet

I can also tell you from personal experience. I worked for a company that had a dynamite idea, presold, with the best coders and technology and gobs of start up money. Everyone had the latest equipment, 21" monitors and Herman Miller chairs. Despite my warnings they neglected to do a one day usabilty test. lthe CEO and CTO told me they'd fix the interface if they had to after they got feedback from the presold customers. They spent three years developing the product. They released V.1 and none of the clients could use it. The mistake in the interface wasn't that big but their competition had a better interface although a vastly inferior product. Within a month after they released the product they were toast. All their clients and investors bailed. We are talking about millions or even hundreds of millions lost because they didn't user test their interface. It would have taken them one day with paper drawings.

Tripping over dollars to pick up nickles.

It is my sincere hope that the open source community gets it together. I would love to help. The only thing that's holding it back is usabilty.


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