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Old 01-19-2006, 02:55 PM   #1
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Smile to Gui or not to Gui?


This is going to probably be the worst question you've ever had asked in the Linux Newbie section. But, I'm going to go ahead and answer it even if it results in me getting shot down from 20,000 feet!

Situation;
I have a root based Fedora Core 3 server running Plesk 7.5.x, upon which I run several domains. Core administration of the domains takes place via FTP or through the plesk front-end.

Server side admin for doing things like yum updates to the underlying OS and stuff like that I do as best I can through a SSH interface.

In nearly all instances where I see people chatting or engaging about the various cores, most people seem to be using the Linux packages as desktop environments running KDE or some other "windows" like destkop.

Here's my question?

Is is possible to enable my root web server to boot in "graphical" mode, and then use a tool like VNC to remote administer my box as if it were a classic desktop machine?

Why would I want to do that?
I'm no expert on Linux, far from it.....but, the little I have seen tends to suggest that GUI based tools for system administration are far more user intuitive than SSH based command line.

I fully understand and appreciate that KDE, or X....thingies add an overhead to the machine, and that once I become accustomed to it I'll be dancing my way around my OS in no time.

I'd appreciate your thoughts or concerns on this......

Unrelated, but probably just as much fun, I made a big boo-boo today, and I thought I'd come clean!

I was rebuilding some domains, one of which featured a powerful php-mysql driven picture gallery (coppermine for those that know it). It was reporting GD libraries missing or not installed, so I went to YUM and asked it to install it. It told me it was already installed. I foolishly made the assumption that uninstalling it would allow me to install it again, but this time so that it was evident to other libraries on the machine. Oh dear! It also deleted ALL dependant packages, including all my PLESK configuration - killing my root web server!

I learnt a valuable lesson ! Perhaps next time I should just have checked the php.conf and php.ini's on the server and enabled the appropriate library!

What does everyone think to having a new forum area called "I learnt a lot from that!" I guess most of us have done horrendous things as we learn LINUX - weaning ourselves away from MicroSoft etc and if its been a killer lesson for one of us it'll be a killer lesson for ALL of us!

Thanks

Dave
 
Old 01-19-2006, 03:06 PM   #2
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What does everyone think to having a new forum area called "I learnt a lot from that!" I guess most of us have done horrendous things as we learn LINUX - weaning ourselves away from MicroSoft etc and if its been a killer lesson for one of us it'll be a killer lesson for ALL of us!
I think that's a neat idea!
 
Old 01-19-2006, 03:14 PM   #3
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Running X on a server quite clearly violates the rule:
"Only have required services running"

I appreciate that some things may be easier for you
using wizbangs, but wizbangs a) can die, b) may not
offer the fine-grained control you may require and
c) introduce the potential of more vulnerabilities/
exploits. From a security point of view X on a
(specially publicly accessible) server is a big No-No!

Learn the ropes, leave the gooey for your desktop.


Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 01-19-2006, 04:13 PM   #4
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What does everyone think to having a new forum area called "I learnt a lot from that!" I guess most of us have done horrendous things as we learn LINUX - weaning ourselves away from MicroSoft etc and if its been a killer lesson for one of us it'll be a killer lesson for ALL of us!

Thanks

Dave
I see where you are going with this, I see it as a sort of area where you could post these handy tips as a sort of Tutotrial that others can look through before posting.

Good idea
 
Old 01-19-2006, 04:41 PM   #5
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I see where you are going with this, I see it as a sort of area where you could post these handy tips as a sort of Tutotrial that others can look through before posting.

Good idea :)
Like a list of "Dos" and "Don'ts"?


Cheers,
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Old 01-19-2006, 08:29 PM   #6
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Like a list of "Dos" and "Don'ts"?


Cheers,
Tink
Dos and Don'ts would be cool, but I was imagining a place where you could post up something which could explain how to do something.

Where would I find something like that at this time of night?
 
Old 01-20-2006, 02:59 PM   #7
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The wiki would be another good
place to look at, I'd think... :}


Cheers,
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Old 01-20-2006, 04:39 PM   #8
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It is imperirtive that more, better GUIs be integrated into Linux. I don't think there's any reason one should have to use a command line and text configuration files as much as needed in Linux. It's no fun, it takes alot of time, and it takes ages to learn. Unstable? That's because of crappy development, not their nature. I remember when I first used Linux, 4 or 5 years ago--all the GUIs were very unstable then, even Gnome and KDE themselves were very unstable. Today, with more development, that's alot different, and it's all become pretty stable. The human brain likes to be exited, it like to be presented with things in a logical, visual, object-oriented (haha) fashion. It's just a big mess of text on command lines, and there's not alot of psychological reward in that.
 
Old 01-20-2006, 05:15 PM   #9
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You might like WebMin, which gives you an excellent "GUI" over HTTP which you can use to configure your server.

From the security point of view, I would say that running an X server on a commercial server is a big NO.
 
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It is imperirtive that more, better GUIs be integrated into Linux. I don't think there's any reason one should have to use a command line and text configuration files as much as needed in Linux. It's no fun, it takes alot of time, and it takes ages to learn. Unstable? That's because of crappy development, not their nature. I remember when I first used Linux, 4 or 5 years ago--all the GUIs were very unstable then, even Gnome and KDE themselves were very unstable. Today, with more development, that's alot different, and it's all become pretty stable. The human brain likes to be exited, it like to be presented with things in a logical, visual, object-oriented (haha) fashion. It's just a big mess of text on command lines, and there's not alot of psychological reward in that.
Sorry mate, but as far as I'm concerned that's your individual view
of things, and a very sad one at it, too.
The Gooey may appear more intuitive (we've had quite a few
discussions about this on these boards) and "friendly" if it
looks like what you happen to have learnt.
Trust me, if you have to maintain more than one machine (let's
say a 100 for the sake of it) you'll start to really hate the "friendly"
interface, if intimate knowledge of the config-files and the command-
line tools to manipulate them non-interactively can help you to achieve
in 10 minutes what otherwise would have taken you a whole day.


Cheers,
Tink

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