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Old 11-10-2017, 09:14 PM   #16
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After port 80 appeared for the last post, I ran that command again. It changed again! And this time I did not hit enter to check its progress and estimate to finish. Look:

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00:39:17 [  0] me@deb: ~
$ nmap -P0 news.mozilla.org -PO

Starting Nmap 7.40 ( https://nmap.org ) at 2017-11-11 00:39 -02
Nmap scan report for news.mozilla.org (216.166.97.169)
Host is up (0.14s latency).
rDNS record for 216.166.97.169: news.mozilla.giganews.com
Not shown: 998 filtered ports
PORT   STATE SERVICE
23/tcp open  telnet
80/tcp open  http

Nmap done: 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 1383.11 seconds
01:02:21 [  0] me@deb: ~
$
Shouldn't those results be fixed, deterministic?
 
Old 11-12-2017, 06:53 PM   #17
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I consider the question was clarified in Mozilla newsgroup mozilla.general@news.mozilla.org :

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I don't think Mozilla's usenet server ever had a SSL connection. I know the previous server for Netscape did. I am not sure if that is still active.
Nobody else said anything about it. So the SSL connection I was trying would never work.

In our side discussion, the reason why my nmap commands give different output in separated runs is unkown or unclear to me. If you know what it is, or what it can be, please say.

I am in a dilemma now: if I mark this thread as solved, I may indirectly push people to not read or reply here in the future, to possibly discuss about that nmap question; and if I do not mark it, I imagine that something may be said, even if it takes a longer while. What do you think?
 
Old 11-13-2017, 12:23 PM   #18
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Nobody else said anything about it. So the SSL connection I was trying would never work.
In fact I DID say that in post #9
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This all suggests that instead of them forcing you to do TLSv1.1 or higher they aren't even allowing secure connections at all.
 
Old 11-15-2017, 02:25 PM   #19
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In fact I DID say that in post #9
Not clearly enough for me. Even after reading it again now, I initially did not agree with you about #9.
 
Old 11-15-2017, 02:48 PM   #20
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"aren't allowing secure connections" seems fairly clear to me especially in context of the rest of the thread.

Maybe reading this will help you understand the relationship between SSL and TLS as they relate to "secure" connections:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_Layer_Security
 
Old 11-15-2017, 03:20 PM   #21
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MensaWater in #9:
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This all suggests that instead of them forcing you to do TLSv1.1 or higher they aren't even allowing secure connections at all.

(...)
No, it is not. The word "suggests" in that sentence clearly *not* answer the thread's question. It just makes a guess without being sure. And this is how I have read that. I even thought that the conclusion of it not being possible was in other parts of that post, after what you said in #18.
 
Old 11-15-2017, 08:27 PM   #22
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The answer is: Mozilla news server does not work with secure ports. Port 563 there, for an unkown (to me) reason, does not answer immediately and we get timeout errors, which were basically what made me think about a configuration issue in my client.
 
Old 11-16-2017, 08:01 AM   #23
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The word "suggests" in that sentence...
Wow - I think I'll submit your response to Webster's as a perfect example of "pedantic".
 
Old 11-16-2017, 08:11 AM   #24
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Wow - I think I'll submit your response to Webster's as a perfect example of "pedantic".
I am sad that you think this way.

I just explained the idea that come to my mind when I read that post. It is not what the poster meant, and the thread continued with that wrong understanding (with me, at least).

The reason why I say and explain it, is because I think other users may also think like I did, and try to find information in other places, when it may not be needed.
 
  


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