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Old 02-27-2011, 08:51 PM   #1
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Suse 11.1 ->11.3 Upgrade caused GUI to disappear


Hi all, n00b here. Thanks in advance for looking and trying to help out.

The other day I decided to try upgrading my Suse 11.1 to 11.3 in anticipation of upgrading to 11.4 when it comes out in a few days. Things went well until I was dumped at a CLI log in, not a GUI in sight. I can log in easily enough, but I cannot call up either KDE or Gnome. When I did the upgrade, I did specify the upgrade path so I wouldn't have to go back and re-select all the packages individually.


I have an ATI Radeon X300 card which had given me a hard time finding the right driver when I installed 11.1, if that might be of help.

Will I need to start from scratch on the install, or is there a command I can use to bring up the window manager? (Or should I just install Ubuntu --- sry not an option atm)

So, I hope I've been able to state the problem marginally correct so that you can guide me down the path of enlightenment.

Thanks again, I appreciate the assist.
 
Old 02-28-2011, 03:25 PM   #2
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Hi all, n00b here. Thanks in advance for looking and trying to help out.
The other day I decided to try upgrading my Suse 11.1 to 11.3 in anticipation of upgrading to 11.4 when it comes out in a few days. Things went well until I was dumped at a CLI log in, not a GUI in sight. I can log in easily enough, but I cannot call up either KDE or Gnome. When I did the upgrade, I did specify the upgrade path so I wouldn't have to go back and re-select all the packages individually.


I have an ATI Radeon X300 card which had given me a hard time finding the right driver when I installed 11.1, if that might be of help. Will I need to start from scratch on the install, or is there a command I can use to bring up the window manager? (Or should I just install Ubuntu --- sry not an option atm)
So, I hope I've been able to state the problem marginally correct so that you can guide me down the path of enlightenment.
Chances are it's just the driver. Download the driver from ATI's website, and install it per their instructions. You don't say whether you're using 32 or 64 bit Linux, but the driver is easily found on ATI's main web page.

Be aware that you'll have to have installed the kernel sources for the 11.3 OS already, and that when you upgrade to 11.4, you'll have the same problem.
 
Old 02-28-2011, 05:53 PM   #3
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Do not download the driver from ATIs website. The latest version on ATIs website only works with HD GPUs. The last version that works with the x300 is nearly three years old.

You should be using the open source 'radeon' driver that comes with OpenSUSE. Try creating a new xorg.conf file with 'Xorg -configure' and then see if you can start X with 'startx'.

Adam
 
Old 02-28-2011, 07:51 PM   #4
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Thanks, I'll try both suggestions. I did the ATI driver install from the website before, I was hoping I wouldn't have to go through that painful operation again. I'll give your suggestion a try first Adam, seems easiest. If that fails I'll go Tbone's way.

Maybe I should just switch out vid card. Any suggestions on a decent, well supported card?


Again, thanks guys, the help is appreciated.

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Old 02-28-2011, 07:55 PM   #5
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Seriously, do not follow TB0ne's suggestion, even if mine fails. Installing the driver from ATI's website will only make things worse. If my suggestion fails, post back here and we'll try something else.

Adam

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Old 03-01-2011, 01:11 AM   #6
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Just for clarification: Did you upgrade sequentially, i.e. first to 11.2 and then to 11.3?
 
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Seriously, do not follow TB0ne's suggestion, even if mine fails. Installing the driver from ATI's website will only make things worse. If my suggestion fails, post back here and we'll try something else.

Adam
Well, the driver listed for x86 CPU's on ATI's website will be two years old at the end of this month. Even so, I'm not sure how it could make it worse, since the display is already not working. And if you compile their driver against your kernel, you'll wind up with something current. Add to that the fact WHY the x300 drivers are two years old, is because the HARDWARE is two years old.

You could also use a VESA driver, amongst others, but I'm curious as to the "why" behind it. Installing the ATI driver won't kill/corrupt/mangle the system, any more than trying the VESA driver would.
 
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fglrx/catalyst 9.3 will only work with distributions that are from the same time period that the driver was released (around March of 2009, so two years old, not three). If the OP managed to install the driver (even partially) it will overwrite various Xorg/mesa components, making it even more difficult to diagnose the actual problem the OP is having. So, while it may not kill, corrupt or mangle the system it will, most certainly, make things worse.

Adam
 
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fglrx/catalyst 9.3 will only work with distributions that are from the same time period that the driver was released (around March of 2009, so two years old, not three). If the OP managed to install the driver (even partially) it will overwrite various Xorg/mesa components, making it even more difficult to diagnose the actual problem the OP is having. So, while it may not kill, corrupt or mangle the system it will, most certainly, make things worse.

Adam
Ok...but that's not been my experience with it. Part of the ATI installer is "Generate Distribution Specific Driver Package", which uses the source-code (and the GL components/dev packages), that you've got, to generate the ATI driver. I've never had it cause a problem, but the OP can do whatever they want.
 
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Ok...but that's not been my experience with it. Part of the ATI installer is "Generate Distribution Specific Driver Package", which uses the source-code (and the GL components/dev packages), that you've got, to generate the ATI driver.
Well, there's certainly no guarantee that the OP would have tried to generate a driver package for their distribution. And if they had just run with the default options, it would have attempted to install the driver without creating a distribution specific package.
 
  


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