Streamlining stock distro/replacing desktop environment/"building" custom DE
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Streamlining stock distro/replacing desktop environment/"building" custom DE
Hello, I just installed a Debian based distro running Gnome 3 on a flash drive (full install, not live). The full install expanded to roungly 7GB vs live @ 3.2GB. Being that this is installed on flash, I'm concerned both with resource and storage use; if it were on my primary drive I could just leave well enough alone, but I noticed when going through the customizations, there was no way to even set a plain black desktop background, I really cannot see a reason for all this bloated software when I cant even simply default to black.
As such, I'm looking to streamline/reduce consumption of my limited rom drive as well as keep my resource use low. The first thing I am looking at is the desktop environment; following this graph:
I can save roughly 3/4th my resources compared to gnome by switching to LXDE if accurate. I have used LXDE before and was comfortable with it. Yet, while attempting to install LXqt, I realised I would be required to set repos and dependencies, and I figured if this was going to be the case, I may as well look more into customizing my experience with Openbox or the like.
Further reading opened a can of worms I was not prepared for; with so many options for window management alone, application launchers, file managers, panels, docks, archive managers, task managers, power management, etc.. it's all a little over my head.
I've been reading for about 2 weeks straight, but for the most part I cannot find detailed descriptions for the specific tools in these various categories, their features, or their requirements, resources, etc
By my current experience, it would be more suited to installing one of the prebuilt DE's, but the primary reason for me to get on linux was to gain more experience so.... theres that
If you could:
1) share your experiences using various lightweight/minimalist desktop environments
2) share your experiences "building" your own desktop environments (whether lightweight/minimalist or not)
3) explain why or why I shouldnt roll my own vs installing prebuilt vs slimming down gnome 3
4) point me to threads that you would consider being <i>the</i> thread for describing/comparing the various tools needed to roll your own
preferences:
floating windows,
snapping windows (vista style)
categorized application menu/launcher,
multiple workstastions,
clock/wifi/battery/etc widgets(?) on a taskbar or easily accessed menu,
support for folders/files placed on desktop,
2. My current preferred combination is OpenBox as the window manager, Tint2 as the system tray and taskbar, pcmanfm both handling the desktop and watching for USB disk insertions, rofi as the application launcher, and maim for screenshots (whole desktop, single window, and region-snipping).
still gotta tweak everything, but for the most part I'm happy
turned a 9gig distro into a 2.8 gig distro =p
Was having all sorts of issues related to what I believe is a broken Debian installer, wound up having to actually roll my own respin and run persistent live; gonna try to install in VM and see if I cant figure out whats going on
Seems all Debian based distros I tried that were kernel 4.0 or above would not properly install. There would be no errors listed, install would conclude "successfully" but upon reboot, there would be no grub.
I hacked around in grub.conf and was able to get grub loaded, and able to load linuz and initrd, would attempt to boot but hang and then freeze at what I can only guess was some missing/incorrect hardware module or config file. Messed around further and was able to prod some more info out of the boot text but I followed those trails to no avail
I tried several drives with several distros but nothing would work.
4.4 generic Ubuntu had no issues and it's from there that I was able to compile my own live-boot netinst version of the 4.6 kernel but it had the same install problems
And believe me I tried all sorts of things and documented everything in distro's forums
Assuming all backups are in place and\or you can reinstall microcoughed-losedough$ I'd suggest dual boot.
They did ask you to install GRUB towards the end of installs and listed your "VM-drive or manual" so you picked MBR on VM-d (or something like that,) right?
Because the GRUB folder will be there even if you did not install it.
i set up my partitions on an empty secondary drive as
/boot
/
installed grub to the same secondary drive
the same way ive always done it, the same way i did it with ubuntu16 trying to resolve the issue
the funny thing is, it installed fine the first time... but only the first time, i changed nothing on subsequent installs. it didnt matter which drive i used, or what my partitions were set as
i was sure to write zeros across the full drives as well just in case there were some remnants
all distros based on:
debian jessie, kernels 4.0 and 4.6- had the same issue
wheezy- no issues
ubuntu16, kernel 4.4 generic- no issues
Of the full desktops, Gnome is one of the most feature-rich (or bloated, according to opinion). Mate (try Mint) is more manageable and Xfce (try antiX MX) is the most business-like. (Yes, LXDE is light, but it's a beast to configure).
For a simple window manager, antiX is the best for a beginner. The other WMs can be more trouble or come in distros that are less suited to the beginner.
that second link is the one that made me want to check out e17 or moksha, but i was unable to get them loaded for some reason. i will, in all honestly, probably be going through all of this again and again =p
i was a little nervous about trying this with the system i want, but i think ill be more comfortable messing with antiX, just learn everything then incorporate it all
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