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Old 11-23-2005, 05:00 AM   #16
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mandriva during the install (before it starts writting to the HD)
comes with the drakdisk utilitity, it can definitely resize ntfs HD
(you will do this on the one where you have the data and you will have done a
defrag before and a backup, don't you?).
What menu are you looking at and what is it you do not understand?

If this is scary or does not work you can use partition magic or some other Zin software.

If you get hold of a live cd of knoppix, it should have Qtparted that will do
the same partition job I believe

The Ntfsresize Frequently Asked Questions
http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Install..._with_QTParted

http://linux.wordpress.com/2005/11/1...ting/#more-175

The new space will be split in partitions and formated by Mandriva

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Old 11-23-2005, 03:10 PM   #17
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Quote:
Originally posted by Emmanuel_uk
mandriva during the install (before it starts writting to the HD)
comes with the drakdisk utilitity, it can definitely resize ntfs HD
(you will do this on the one where you have the data and you will have done a
defrag before and a backup, don't you?).
What menu are you looking at and what is it you do not understand?

If this is scary or does not work you can use partition magic or some other Zin software.

If you get hold of a live cd of knoppix, it should have Qtparted that will do
the same partition job I believe

The Ntfsresize Frequently Asked Questions
http://mlf.linux.rulez.org/mlf/ezaz/ntfsresize.html

http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Install..._with_QTParted

http://linux.wordpress.com/2005/11/1...ting/#more-175

The new space will be split in partitions and formated by Mandriva
a guy at some other forums said that NTFS partitions were only readable and not writable. Does this mean i cannot save stuff to the harddrive....??cuse that would be impossible to do anything. because when you go on the internet your downloading cookies and temp internet files and whatnot. so what exactly does "not writable" mean? thanks! oooo i downloaded partition magic but it seems unnecessary if Mandriva installer wiilll do it for me...thanks!
 
Old 11-23-2005, 05:29 PM   #18
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you crossposted?

Indeed ntfs not writable (or so) by linux, but still can be resized no problems.
M$ kept secret ntfs specifications

Create a fat32 partition to share files between OS's
 
Old 11-23-2005, 05:56 PM   #19
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Originally posted by Emmanuel_uk
you crossposted?

Indeed ntfs not writable (or so) by linux, but still can be resized no problems.
M$ kept secret ntfs specifications

Create a fat32 partition to share files between OS's

um, yes, if posting similiar threads in two different forums, one in which is a mandriva forums, is crossposting.
but anyways. i have one fat32 harddrive and one ntfs harddrive as well. the fat32 is filled up pretty much all the way(about 4 gbs left).....so the second harddrive is not an option. But i mean, if i can't save stuff to an ntfs filesystem harddrive, then i dont see the point of installing linux on it. i suppose my only option is to find a spare harddrive in my house that is a fat32. unless, i can make a fat32 partition in an ntfs filesystem harddrive. Hmmmm.
 
Old 11-23-2005, 06:02 PM   #20
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waiit...maybe ill be able to delete the junk off the spare harddrive, leaving room for mandriva(at least 10-20gbs). would i be able to install mandriva on a slave?
 
Old 11-23-2005, 06:55 PM   #21
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It's great that you have a "spare" harddrive. Maybe you can clean everything off it, repartition it, and use it strictly for Linux. Or, perhaps you want to acquire a third drive for that purpose and leave the second drive purely as a dustbin. Most computers have two disk-drive chains on the motherboard... you don't even have to get an external card to run as many as four drives/DVDs.

Most computers can boot from a slave drive, and it should be easy to reboot, go into BIOS and verify this.

If you can boot from a slave, then you have two easy options. One is to adjust the BIOS setting each time you want to switch. Another is to set the system to routinely boot from the Linux partition, and set up the boot-loader (say "Grub") with an option to boot Windows.

It is, in my , vastly easier to manage a Windows+Linux box when you can use additional-drives (even "left over" drives!) to do the work. My main box, at the moment, has three large drives, and since this particular box is fairly groaning with places to hang disk drives, it will soon have more (SCSI). Repartitioning stuff and all that rot is basically garbage when you can avoid it, and lots of us have shoeboxes full of perfectly useable spare drives.
 
Old 11-23-2005, 07:51 PM   #22
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It's great that you have a "spare" harddrive. Maybe you can clean everything off it, repartition it, and use it strictly for Linux. Or, perhaps you want to acquire a third drive for that purpose and leave the second drive purely as a dustbin. Most computers have two disk-drive chains on the motherboard... you don't even have to get an external card to run as many as four drives/DVDs.

Most computers can boot from a slave drive, and it should be easy to reboot, go into BIOS and verify this.

If you can boot from a slave, then you have two easy options. One is to adjust the BIOS setting each time you want to switch. Another is to set the system to routinely boot from the Linux partition, and set up the boot-loader (say "Grub") with an option to boot Windows.

It is, in my , vastly easier to manage a Windows+Linux box when you can use additional-drives (even "left over" drives!) to do the work. My main box, at the moment, has three large drives, and since this particular box is fairly groaning with places to hang disk drives, it will soon have more (SCSI). Repartitioning stuff and all that rot is basically garbage when you can avoid it, and lots of us have shoeboxes full of perfectly useable spare drives.
in my BIOS it has like 1. boot from _____ 2. Boot from ___-____ 3 . Boot From_______ 4. Boot From______


obviously, i dont know what the blank spaces are(cant remember) but i know it is 1. 2. 3. 4. and when i want to boot from a cd i boot from 4. This is what i did to use the live evaluation of SUSE. It worked great. Would it just be easier to buy a 40 gb Fat32 filesystem harddrive specifically for Linux(es?). i think ill just do that, unless someone says otherwise. My computers bios has 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. 6. 7. (8?)....and i have 2 harddrives along with my spare computer in which i want to install linux. The harddrive being there supports no other purpose than storing music(like tens of thousands of songs) and its like 120gb. So idk i think ill just get another harddrive..can someone give me a link for a harddrive that has a FAT32 filesystem? unless i might have one. i saw a few harddrives in one room...ill look. thanks.
 
Old 11-24-2005, 02:38 AM   #23
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Get another HD!. This is best and simplest.
Price difference 80 Gb and 40 Gb is little.

The HD comes virgin. The linux OS Mandriva will prompt you
to create partitions on it. Be sure to make a fat32 to share.
But install Mandy on an ext3 partition (it is the name of the filesystem as
opposed to ntfs or fat32).
Formating is handled by the OS, you will see it is dead simple.

Whatever you do, install grub when prompted on this new HD, not on the old one.

Suggested partition scheme, there are zillions of way to do it

Say you go for 80 Gb
10 Gb FAT32
twice ram size /swap partition
10 GB ext3 partition will be called / this where the OS goes
30 GB ext3 partition will be called /home (where you data go)
If you need a new OS /home will remain unchanged
30 GB ext3 /home2 or may be used for another distro or video or photos
10 GB ext3 /noname keep this free you can always make it fat32 or put another distrp later on it
 
Old 11-24-2005, 02:07 PM   #24
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id like to thank everyone...no other replies are necessary. I got Mandriva 2006 working wonderfully...Thanks.
 
Old 11-25-2005, 03:06 AM   #25
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Your are welcome.
Glad this is sorted

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um, yes, if posting similiar threads in two different forums, one in which is a mandriva forums, is crossposting.
To be avoided when possible. Did you read the LQ rules?

On a different matter, I have reffered your signature to the moderator and said

<<I suggest you review and talk with user ipodlinux 1) whether is signature is adhoc,
2) or whether rules about advertising should be rephrased in the case of open source. At the same time I do not want to drive the user of the board.
I thought it was an interesting ethical subject: can open source project be
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I am no joy killer. It is a point on which LQ needs to take a decision.
In addition maybe you have not read the LQ rules, so maybe
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Old 11-25-2005, 06:29 AM   #26
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Plan A: Erase the entire windows and make yourself a shiney new Mandrivia Box. You won't miss it - honest

Plan B: Buy a new Hard Drive for Mandrivia - same advice as for Red Hat. Do not install the drive under windows, just plug it in as primary slave andlet the BIOS/Disk-drake do the rest (Does mandrivia still use diskdrake?)

Plan C: Resize the NTFS partition.
C1 - Make space: unhide all files and defrag. I have a little batch file around here somewhere which will search the entire drive and unhide any hidden files. Run defrag - unless you've been doing this each day you'll want to go have a cup of coffee now.

Now all your files are nicely tucked into the start of the disk - you can use mandrivia's Partitioning Wizard to resize your disk. You should give windows the absolute minimum possible space it can take - usually 3-4GB. You should maybe insert a 512-1024Mb vfat [1] partition but it isn't compulsory. Apart from that, accept the defaults.

Be warned, there are some "gotchas" concerning mandrivia's method [2].

If you do not want to use mandrivia's native resizer, then you need to find a tool using a recent version of the ntsfresize tool. QParted is a good one, and there are many others. [3]

Knoppix, and RIP are probably best at it.


Footnotes:

[1] This is FAT32 - so both windows and linux can write to it, and so you share files between OS's - set the mountpoint to /usr/dos - later you will have to install this partition to windows, and it will get drive designation D:

[2]One of the leader Linux vendors, emerged from the fusion of Mandrake, Conectiva and Lycoris. Mandrake was the first who provided freely available open source solution to install Linux alongside Windows XP/2000/2003. Two ways to resize NTFS is by the Partitioning Wizard or "Custom disk partitioning". Warning1: if they can't unallocate enough space then they switch to destructive partitioning and give the warning "After resizing partition X, all data on this partition will be lost". If you ignore this warning you will lose your Windows data. Warning2: Some versions of Mandrake/Mandriva might create unbootable Windows partition.

Further Information
NTFS-resize FAQ
Paragon Partition manager gets good reviews but it will cost you.
Free project pages:
http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/
http://qtparted.sourceforge.net/
 
Old 11-25-2005, 03:20 PM   #27
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Originally posted by Emmanuel_uk
Your are welcome.
Glad this is sorted



To be avoided when possible. Did you read the LQ rules?

On a different matter, I have reffered your signature to the moderator and said

<<I suggest you review and talk with user ipodlinux 1) whether is signature is adhoc,
2) or whether rules about advertising should be rephrased in the case of open source. At the same time I do not want to drive the user of the board.
I thought it was an interesting ethical subject: can open source project be
advertised on LQ>>

I am no joy killer. It is a point on which LQ needs to take a decision.
In addition maybe you have not read the LQ rules, so maybe
you do not know you are borderline on this.
I am not the net police. As the moderators say
http://www.linuxquestions.org/rules.php
<<If you come across any violations to these guidelines or have any problems navigating the site, do not hesitate to let us know via email or the forums.>>

I hope you appreciate why I did that.

regards
alright yeh ill change it. Its not really advertising anything that doesn't have to do with linux. and its not commercial..its open source. Im not affiliated and do not write code for them. .although i chose number 2 in the sense that it be rephrased. I think the answer to the question should be "Yes."
 
Old 11-25-2005, 04:20 PM   #28
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I am not a moderator so I cannot say good move.
Now then, have a look in
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...p?s=&forumid=7

Maybe you could post a suggestion about changing the rules about signature
and advertising open source project. I do not know if this has been done before.
It is a worthy debate
 
  


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