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shimonbenyaakov 02-28-2010 11:57 PM

Recommendations please?
 
Can anyone tell me a LINUX os that I can download and install on top of my XPsp3? I need something that will partition my HD and practically install itself, since I am truly new and want to start small, simple and easy with LINUX.

mesiol 03-01-2010 12:58 AM

Hi,

you can download VMWare images of various Linux distribitions. Take a look here for example.

So you don't have to install, you can use it as you like and learn how to do. Another alternative is using live-cd distribition.

Google is your friend.

pixellany 03-01-2010 01:13 AM

The normal advice is the try anything in the top 10 on the "hit list" at http://distrowatch.org I do not, however, recommend Arch for beginners.

shimonbenyaakov 03-01-2010 05:38 AM

I have installed andLinux, and am using it now. I have no idea how to deal with such things as a command prompt (Commodore 64 was the last time I needed such skills), so I hope you do not mind terribly if I rely on your generous collective wisdom to guide me into this exciting new (for me, anyway) world of Linux.

shimonbenyaakov 03-01-2010 05:42 AM

I attempted VMPlayer. It is installed, but the UBUNTU I downloaded did not take, nor did one other one. I followed the instructions, but no go. So I found this one, and all I know how to do with this is open Konqueror and get on the web. Which, admittedly, is tremendously more Linux skill than I had only moments ago.

MTK358 03-01-2010 05:57 AM

To learn the command line, see the tutorials in my sig.

pixellany 03-01-2010 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov (Post 3880794)
I attempted VMPlayer. It is installed, but the UBUNTU I downloaded did not take, nor did one other one. I followed the instructions, but no go. So I found this one, and all I know how to do with this is open Konqueror and get on the web. Which, admittedly, is tremendously more Linux skill than I had only moments ago.

To clarify: I assume you are still running "andLinux" (Ubuntu running on Windows---which I'm guessing is what the the WUBI installer was).

Keep in mind that this kind of setup can have quirks, since the guest (Ubuntu) has to work through the host (Windows). To get a complete picture of how Linux operates, I would suggest eventually installing it directly.

Regardless, please tell us any specific questions.

cantab 03-01-2010 08:30 AM

You could try Wubi. It's a Windows program that installs Ubuntu so it can dual-boot with Windows. It's not a virtual machine - what it does is makes Ubuntu use a file on your Windows partition as though it were a hard drive. No partitioning needed.

linus72 03-01-2010 09:01 AM

Good for learning linux too

If you have a few bucks, get a 4GB or bigger USB
do a full hard drive install of linux to usb
so, install to usb as you would to hard drive

If your Windows PC has alot of RAM, you could also
run Qemu, install a distro to qemu virtual hdd
and its like vmware but simpler for me

I can tell you how to do the full install to usb
you can also put a frugal distro on usb too

shimonbenyaakov 03-01-2010 07:09 PM

wubi was part of that download. I will go out and grab a few 32GB memory sticks to play with more Linux products. As for the rest, I have to go on a trip, and may not be back online for quite some time. You have all been extremely helpful. THANK YOU!!!

shimonbenyaakov 03-01-2010 07:24 PM

Also I am holding off my questions while I study "ruteLinuxGuide. The information contained therein is amazing, and I am only a few pages into it. Plus, my questions I feel best reserved for when I put a partitioned or full Linux install on this or another computer. My end goal is to run Linux exclusively, as well as setup and manage servers for my brother's web solution company. Obviously, I have a huge amount of dedicated study and practice ahead of me. I shall patiently and relentlessly wade into this world. And I will have thousands of direct and clarification questions for you experts and practitioners of computing perfection.

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:00 AM

I keep messing up command line inputs.

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:01 AM

I have FLK and NT consoles, but I have no idea what the differences are.

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:02 AM

Are there more distributions that install inside Windows?

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:03 AM

What is the very best of all linux distributions for a beginner?

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:05 AM

I am on Windows right now so I can use Firefox.

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:06 AM

I downloaded Firefox for Linux, but the install instructions were too complicated for my tiny mind, I guess.

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:08 AM

Is there a step by step for know nothings? Most material for reading that I find assumes at least a very basic understanding of the subject matter, but I do not have that beginning knowledge or terminology.

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:09 AM

So much for reserving my questions until later!

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:11 AM

I want to patiently assimilate all Linux information instantaneously. But, I will settle for one question at a time. For instance, the manual I am reading is huge (ruteLinuxGuide). Is there a condensed version?

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:12 AM

If getting Firefox for my Linux is too hard for me now, what about addons for konqueror?

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:13 AM

Am I asking too many questions?

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:14 AM

Is there any Windows software that will help my transition into Linux?

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:17 AM

Big question: Is there a Linux server that will operate inside Windows, so I can begin minor hands-on server work? This is the goal, after all: Server stuff for the family business, since my brother just does not have the time to do it himself, or the money to pay someone else to do it for him (I already cost too much for a new business).

TheIndependentAquarius 03-02-2010 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov
I downloaded Firefox for Linux, but the install instructions were too complicated for my tiny mind, I guess.

Download Firefox from the following link and save it in your home folder:
http://www.getfirefox.net/

Open Konsole. Copy paste the EXACT following line on your shell prompt!
Code:
Code:

tar -xf firefox-3.6.tar.bz2
The above code shall untar the compressed firefox tar ball in your home folder and store it automatically in a folder named firefox

Copy paste the EXACT following lines one by one on your shell prompt!
Code:

su
cd /usr/bin
ln -s /home/cardi/firefox/firefox .

Now type firefox on the terminal and tell the results

and

Check this out:
http://www.fsid.cvut.cz/cz/U201/linux.html

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:21 AM

I burnt a Linux distru onto cd-r, changed my BIOS to boot from cd drive, rebooted with the cd in several times, and only loaded Windows. Do I burn it as a computer read disc, or a flash drive type?

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:22 AM

I am about to go do the download according to your instructions. This could take me weeks........

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:24 AM

Not Found
The file you were looking for was not found.
To find what you are looking for, you should try these links:
Mozilla Firefox
Mozilla Thunderbird
Other products...

This from the link.
???

TheIndependentAquarius 03-02-2010 07:24 AM

Quote:

Am I asking too many questions?
No but you are asking many questions in the same thread.

It would be beneficial for you if you searched the LQ forums first and then if you couldn't find your answers , create a new thread in a appropriate forum.

TheIndependentAquarius 03-02-2010 07:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov
I am about to go do the download according to your instructions. This could take me weeks........

No not more than 20 minutes

MTK358 03-02-2010 07:27 AM

Why would you want to run a Linux server in Windows?

It's not a Linux server then!

An as for what distro to use, GET ONE WITH A GOOD PACKAGE MANAGER.

That way, you never have to deal with manually installing software and figuring out dependencies. And also, you can update every single program in your OS with one command!

Debian-based distros (this includes Ubuntu) have "apt-get".

RedHat-based distros (this includes Fedora) have "yum".

Personally I think Arch Linux's "pacman" package manager is way better than any of these, but a fresh Arch install is definitely not newbie-friendly.

Note that Arch's repositories have some common non-open source software like Flash and media codecs, that almost everyone installs anyway, so I like the fact that Arch made it easy.

Installing Flash and media codecs can be a huge pain in most distros.

And also be sure to see linuxcommand.org (in my sig).

TheIndependentAquarius 03-02-2010 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov
Not Found
The file you were looking for was not found.
To find what you are looking for, you should try these links:
Mozilla Firefox
Mozilla Thunderbird
Other products...

This from the link.
???

I have modified the link in my previous post, see that once again !

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:29 AM

Are too many questions in the same thread a bad thing, or do I need to try to bounce around several threads to look for answers? My search queries rarely lead me to the specific answers that I look for.

MTK358 03-02-2010 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov (Post 3882380)
Are too many questions in the same thread a bad thing

Yes.

JimBrewster 03-02-2010 07:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov (Post 3882350)
Am I asking too many questions?

LOL! :)

The answer is yes, no, and maybe...

Seriously, though, I suggest you take a deep breath and curb the understandable impulse to try everything at the same time!

Then I'd suggest continuing to read the rute Linux guide, but don't get too bogged down in the details until you have some more hands-on experience.

And to that end, I'd suggest a LiveCD distro like *buntu or KNOPPIX (comprehensive desktop environment) Puppy (nice and light but still pretty rich) or SliTaz (tiny but functional). It will boot into a nice familiar desktop with menus, but you can also open a terminal program and practice commands. You can get familiar with Linux without committing your hardware.

The LiveCD distros are also ideal for playing in QEMU or VirtualBox if you don't want to reboot your Windows system.

Once you're familiar with the environment you can start thinking about repartitioning your hard drive for a full-blown installation.

Just my $.02...

TheIndependentAquarius 03-02-2010 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov
Are too many questions in the same thread a bad thing

No not a bad thing, but many people will not be able to see all the questions as people generally tend to guess the thread topic by its title !

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov
or do I need to try to bounce around several threads to look for answers?

You can bounce a thread if its not more than 6 months old, if it is, better start your new thread.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov
My search queries rarely lead me to the specific answers that I look for.

That firefox questions has been discussed before, you could have searched that :)

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:33 AM

shimonbenyaakov@andLinux:~$ tar -xf firefox-3.5.7.tar.bz2
tar: firefox-3.5.7.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
shimonbenyaakov@andLinux:~$


I downloaded it to Home, but the above happened to me. Am I doing something wrong here?

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:35 AM

Home showed 2 folders, so I backed up to Home without selecting anything in Home, and downloaded.

TheIndependentAquarius 03-02-2010 07:36 AM

Quote:

shimonbenyaakov@andLinux:~$ tar -xf firefox-3.5.7.tar.bz2
tar: firefox-3.5.7.tar.bz2: Cannot open: No such file or directory
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
shimonbenyaakov@andLinux:~$
Oh I am extremely sorry,

Try this:
Code:

tar -xf firefox-3.6.tar.bz2

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:39 AM

shimonbenyaakov@andLinux:~$ tar -xf firefox-3.6.tar.bz2
tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
tar: Child returned status 2
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
shimonbenyaakov@andLinux:~$


This old thing again. My Linux does not seem to enjoy my company.

TheIndependentAquarius 03-02-2010 07:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov
shimonbenyaakov@andLinux:~$ tar -xf firefox-3.6.tar.bz2
tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory
tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now
tar: Child returned status 2
tar: Error exit delayed from previous errors
shimonbenyaakov@andLinux:~$

Do
Code:

ll
on your home folder prompt and post the output here !

JimBrewster 03-02-2010 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov (Post 3882389)
Home showed 2 folders, so I backed up to Home without selecting anything in Home, and downloaded.

A normal user shouldn't be able to write to /home. Your home directory should be /home/<username>/. Find where the downloaded file is and change to that directory.

But if you're running some form of Ubuntu, shouldn't you be doing something like:
Code:

sudo apt-get install firefox

MTK358 03-02-2010 07:42 AM

If you used a package manager:

Code:

Debian:

apt-get install firefox

RedHat:

yum install firefox

Arch:

pacman -S firefox

Done!

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:43 AM

Do ll on your home folder prompt and post the output here !

What does this mean? Is this a symbol, two # 1's, two L's, or something else? Sorry for my ignorance.

MTK358 03-02-2010 07:44 AM

Code:

ls -l
ll usually just means "ls -l" but some distros (like Arch) don't support it.

TheIndependentAquarius 03-02-2010 07:44 AM

type 2 'l'(small letter L) together on your shell prompt and press enter

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:45 AM

I am using andLinux, which I think is UBUNTU, but I really do not know that it is for sure.

shimonbenyaakov 03-02-2010 07:46 AM

shimonbenyaakov@andLinux:~$ ll
bash: ll: command not found
shimonbenyaakov@andLinux:~$

MTK358 03-02-2010 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov (Post 3882418)
I am using andLinux, which I think is UBUNTU, but I really do not know that it is for sure.

We know that.

Please type:

ls -l

(small letter Ls)

in your terminal.

Post the output here.

ll means ls -l on most, BUT NOT ALL distros.

TheIndependentAquarius 03-02-2010 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shimonbenyaakov
I am using andLinux, which I think is UBUNTU, but I really do not know that it is for sure.

and while replying mention the name of the person to whom you are replying !


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