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Old 05-23-2003, 10:51 PM   #1
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really want to learn. few questions :)

i really want to get these questions out of my way
difference between unix & linux?
i wanted to know what the difference is between unix and linux?
can i install unix on my system? i want to do this so i can learn how to hack and security and things like that. i dont want to use someone elses shell account but rather have me as the shell and what exactly is a shell to be sure. sorry if that sounds weird.

to narrow it down i want be able to do anything i do on a windows OS like play games. to be able to hack too. which i dont know how yet. what i really want to do is be able to do pritty much everything from my system. any help greatly appreciated

very sorry for the newbie questions but i really want to learn
Old 05-23-2003, 11:10 PM   #2
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You might like FreeBSD

The term Unix refers to several different operating systems. I suppose that you could define an Unix operating system as one which conforms to the POSIX specifications. There are several Unix operating systems and they run on a wide variety of hardware.

Linux is a POSIX complient operating system kernel created by Linus Torvald
which he named Linux as a contraction of Linus' Unix. Linux was created on
Intel architecture and has since been ported to several other computer

I assume that you are running on an Intel machine. If so, another free
Unix system that you could try is FreeBSD:
Old 05-23-2003, 11:18 PM   #3
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sorry jailbait i didnt get much of that are you saying that unix is linux? could you please answer those questions i asked in a good way because im a newbie. still not as big as you might thing tho

those are the only questions i need know for now. thanks
Old 05-24-2003, 01:01 AM   #4
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maybe you should read the Cathedral and The Bazaar by Eric Raymond.
Old 05-24-2003, 01:09 AM   #5
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unix is a name owned by the open group. there are
several unix operating systems. linux i unix-like, in that
it acts like unix, but it's not really.
Old 05-24-2003, 02:54 AM   #6
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I thought Linus wanted to call it FREAX and others involved in the project insisted on Linux?

Anyway - I don't know if you're familiar with the FreeDOS project but Linux is to Unix as FreeDOS is to DOS, sort of. One is a closed source (nominally) and licensed-for-a-cost system and one is open source and basically free.

The Linux kernel is assembled with GNU utilities and GNU stands for GNU's Not Unix - cuz it isn't Unix (proprietary) but it is Unix (looks like a Unix, quacks like a Unix - it's a Unix).

That's why you'll see '*nix' a lot. Given, POSIX, it might even be better to say '*ix" except it sounds funny. There are a lot of *nixes and Linux is one of them, but it isn't Unix.

And everybody should read The Cathedral and the Bazaar just because. *g*
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i wanna be able to play games and hack but to be able to hack i need to get a shell right? what must i do? can i do the same things in unix to linux? i want to be able to play games and all that stuff and hack at the same time do i have to install both linux and windows on my system but will i be able to view both at the same time?
i already have red hat and freebsd on cd

this is what i really want to know any help greatly appreciated thanks alot
Old 05-24-2003, 06:11 AM   #8
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You can dual boot between windows and Linux. Install Windows first and then install Linux. When you install a boot manager (lilo or grub, for example) you can then choose which you wish to boot into at startup.

Linux is both gui and cli - you can choose not to install a gui.

If, by hacking, you mean writing progs and changing progs then Linux has many tools. If you mean breaking into other computers, then you are in the wrong forum.

Linux has a lot of games, installing WineX will allow you to play games - although most are still for Windows. Hacking while playing games will mean that neither are given your full attention and you won't enjoy them as much!! (Best to do it one at a time!!)
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if you insist on trying out linux without doing harm on your computer, I would recommend you to try vmware. it's a virtual machine program that lets you install an operating system winthin your own platform (for example, suppose that you are already running windows, installing vmware would let you install another copy of windows or linux within a "virtual" PC - so anything done to that virtual pc will not do any harm to your main operating system. This is good for newbies i think because it will most likely prevent you from messing up the system even though you poked around it a lot.

of course, vmware is not free, but there are other emulation projects like bochs. so look around.


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