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Old 01-13-2004, 06:37 AM   #31
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yeah i know the buggy hard drive but well no buts really but ive got xp running on it fine... ill look around some more.. and trelois i got your message but i was in bed,, im off to work now so ill check back in 9 hours
 
Old 01-13-2004, 06:49 AM   #32
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oops just no one thinks im trying to dual boot the wrong way.
i tried single loading linux and dual loading xp and linux,, and xp loads great from the lilo menu when i dual boot but linux wont load,, and linux wont load when i load the hd with only linux.

just mad confusion and again i apologise for the frustration im showing you gent's
 
Old 01-13-2004, 04:50 PM   #33
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home from work now time to work on linux.. oh let the madness begin
 
Old 01-13-2004, 05:10 PM   #34
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more passing thoughts,
i am baffled by the lilo thing about it onyl working when lilo loaded into the MBR i see the reason for it working since the hardrive has the MBR marked with lilo, while other times the MBR appears to not be set properly.

is lilo supposed to say "load lilo onto HDA (MBR) ?? or was that something that just happened,, or is it suppose to say (MBR) EVERY time.?
 
Old 01-13-2004, 05:28 PM   #35
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What are your error messages?
 
Old 01-13-2004, 05:56 PM   #36
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you should really think of a master boot record as just a place for code
that points to a partition to boot. the microsoft MBR just checks which
partition is active, then boots that one. the MBR is a place for some code.

there are dozens of boot managers you can download that can install
there. if the master boot record manager or whatver you have installed,
points to the beginning of another partition, there could be a boot manager
there in the boot sector also, which could point to any place on the hard
drive, so if you were crazy, you could make 4 partitions with nothing in
them, then install lilo in the master boot record, and have that lilo pointing
to the beginning of each of the 4 partitions on the hard drive. you could
then have lilo installed in each partitions boot sector, pointing to either
the master boot record, a boot sector on a different partition, or the first
sector of a linux kernel existing on the hard drive that you wish to boot.
you could make endless loops of lilo's pointing to each other if you wish,
and the computer would jump around all day from boot sector to boot
sector.
if you reinstall linux and choose to install lilo in the boot sector of a partition
but lilo is still in the master boot record, the master boot record's lilo
is probably pointing to a linux kernel that is no longer there, or at least
starts at a different sector on the disk.
since the computer starts to boot at the master boot record, you need
something in the master boot record to send the computer to the
partition you wish to boot. microsoft's just looks for an active partition,
and set's its own operating system's partition active. lilo can boot a
kernel, a partition, or point to itself, or all three, and more, but you need
something that gets to the kernel to get it started booting.

by the way, i think that you're just running into some incompatibility
with your computer, and that kernel that comes with mandrake or
whatever it is you are installing. i can't remember right now. if you
get to the point where it says decompressing kernel, then it's not a lilo
or boot loader problem. it's something else.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 06:15 PM   #37
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Don't use the bios option of switching beteen the two hard drives.
Using the first install disk re-install the boot loader to your MBR of the master drive. Thats what ever drive is set as master not nessessaraly the one with linux on it. A boot loader doesn't care were the os is on the hard drives. Or even what OS it is.
Make sure the jumper pins on the back of the hard drives are set to master/ slave and NOT cable select. Linux doesn;t work with cable select. It also doesn't work with both drives set as the same thing.
 
Old 01-13-2004, 07:45 PM   #38
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thanks for the MBR info but i know what the mbr does lol but hey man i appreciate the effort you put into it.

ok pzatch ,, you cant just load lilo into the mbr of the drive the option is not there.
technically you just flat out make or delete a partition the mbr is changed. also it contains what partition boots and what dont.


ok so now for the GOOD news.
i think i found the problem of all of this.

that god damn Silicon Image IDE U133 RAID card... i use it simply becasue it has in the past offered a simple way to take stress of the motherboard and ide channels by creating a source and brain for extra hard drives .. that and its just faster. especially for u133 drives which btw is what i ordered and is shipping now.
funny though linux never had an issue seeing the extra drive i have hooked to it and neither did windows. but here is a little sumthin.
when i first got this MSI NEO2 FIS2R mobo i immediately dumped the sil ide ctrl card in and added my 120 gig storage drive i never loaded windows without the card in now did i use the motherboard without the card installed,. all this time my regular SATA RAID set up which windows is on has been well slow not as fast as what i assumed SATA would be AND AND ANDit took nearly 2 minutes for the system to boot to the windows loading screen.., And the same thing for lilo i would get LIL. at the top of my screen and it would just sit there. pissing me off waiting for lilo to fully open. then it would bomb when i chose the linux install.
i thought it was something with the way i have the bios or the motherbaord itself.
but guess what fellas.. guess what happens when you unplug the power from that other hard drive. no need to remove the controller card just get rid of the hard drive.
XP loads up RIGHT NOW,, LILO loads up RIGHT NOW and so does linux.

so right now im in linux and using Mozilla things are runnign MUCH faster than they were before, things are opening faster and everything in general is the way it should be.

so it looks like i need to totally get rid of the card OR flash the card with a new bios and see what happens.


on a side note.. last install all i had was konquerer why this time do i have mozilla konquere and Galeon ??

ill keep intouch cuz right now im gunna start all over with windows xp then install linux cuz i want to be able to switch back and forth..

another thing... i have never been able to make a boot floppy it always fails. it says theres no space left man how big of a floppy do i need ? it fails when loading linux and it just failed again inside linux.. hhmmmm damn if i have a boot floppy then i can make my standard windows SATA drive the standard boot drive in the bios and if i want to use linux just throw in the floppy and boot to the floppy and load linux. alot easier then reloading this drive with XP then Linux.

any thoughts guys?
 
Old 01-13-2004, 08:20 PM   #39
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ok damn it why dont i have sound. this is the same thing i went thru last time i tried linux,, there was something stupid i had to change and i cant figure it out. i have tried different drivers and using the media player to play an mp3 it played ,, at least it showed it was but no sound.
i can talk into my mic and that has sound but thats all.

hhmm anyone ?
 
Old 01-14-2004, 01:47 AM   #40
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What distro are you running?

have you tried turning up the volume in the kmixer or aumix? i know in Mandrake thats what needs done first.
 
Old 01-14-2004, 01:54 AM   #41
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What distro are you running?

have you tried turning up the volume in the kmixer or aumix? i know in Mandrake thats what needs done first.
also on that note, have you turned on the sound server when you log in? don't know what desktop manager you're using (gnome or kde) or if you're using a window manager (enlightenment, fluxbox, etc..), but both gnome and kde have settings for that.

in kde, click the control center icon (usually in your taskbar and not to be confused with control center) and click the sound and multimedia category. choose sound server and check the box labeled something like "Start aRts soundserver on KDE start up". click the apply button.

in gnome, click the gnome menu button and navigate to Programs > Settings > Multimedia > Sound. make sure the start sound button is checked.

also make sure your soundcard has been properly found and configured. as root you can run /sbin/sndconfig (i think most distros still use this, i could be mistaken though and if i am, you'll need to find out what your distro uses for sound configuration).
 
Old 01-14-2004, 06:53 PM   #42
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i got the sound going appearently it was one of the setting in kmix was muted i think it was the monitor one,, and if im correct that was the same one i had to unmute last time,, wierd!

having alot of difficulties keeping this running my biggest thing right now is the graphics,, everything is in software mode.

do i or do i NOT want Xfree86 to start everytime i boot ? that is something i havent asked and exactly what is it anyways.

i have also downloade the latest ati drivers and will TRY to isntall them and hope it fixes it but i also had this same problem with my nvidia ti4600 when i was trying red hat everything was in software mode,, hell even tux racer was like 5 fps. same thing now,, is there some secret setting i have to type into the terminal to start hardware acceleration with the 9700 pro ?
 
  


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