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Old 11-12-2019, 09:55 PM   #1
Joe2Shacks
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Newbie to Linux


Hi all....

Thanks for inviting me to the Linux Forum! I hope to learn Linux from the ground up. I have been using Windows for years. Hope it's ok to say the "W" word lol. Currently I am using Windows 10. But want to install Linux on my spare hard drive. Maybe make it duel boot? Not sure how to make that work either. I was also thinking to try Fedora it looks really cool. If anyone can point me in the right direction that would be great. I guess I need to find out how the man pages work as well.

Thanks again,
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:16 PM   #2
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Howdy! Welcome to LQ.

Maybe you would try living with a free virtual machine first if you have a newish system.

One can make a dual boot if they kinda know what they are doing and stuff doesn't happen. I recommend that one remove the data/power to their main OS drive to avoid any issues. (a backup of that drive is a must in this day and age)

man pages are not really training pages. They are kind of pages for people that already know the command. A sharp person can usually figure them out or at least the basic task.
 
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Old 11-12-2019, 10:25 PM   #3
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Welcome to LQ.

I have to second what Jefro said. Man pages are (generally) excellent references, but they are not designed as learning tools. They are, for example, encyclopedia articles, not textbooks. In my own experience, I had to familiarize myself with Linux before I was able to get the full value from man pages.

There are many excellent sites that do provide learning tools. Here are a couple that I've found helpful.

https://www.lifewire.com/learn-how-linux-4102755

https://goinglinux.com/
 
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Old 11-13-2019, 01:12 AM   #4
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Thanks Jefro and frankbell,

The links to the website looks like a huge amount of information to soak into my brain. Small steps I guess.

I found a Fedora Workstation ISO. That I will give a try on a separate hard drive tomorrow. Hopefully I will post on the forum with a success when I log in from my Fedora install.
 
Old 11-13-2019, 01:22 AM   #5
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Joe2Shacks,

Welcome to LQ forums.

Dual-booting can be hazardous to the unwary, so do first backup all your valuable personal data and make sure you have a recovery USB of W10 handy.

Dual boot W10 & Linux Mint:
https://itsfoss.com/guide-install-li...-boot-windows/

Boot repair CD/USB:
https://sourceforge.net/p/boot-repair-cd/home/Home/

Etcher is excellent at burning an ISO to a USB drive:
https://www.balena.io/etcher/

As jefro has mentioned, installing a virtual machine (such as VirtualBox) inside W10 might be a safer idea initially. Then you can try several Linux distros inside VB.

How to Install Ubuntu Linux on Windows 10 in 24 Steps:
https://www.lifewire.com/install-ubu...-steps-2202108

There is plenty of basic Windows to Linux information here with many useful links:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/quest...ossible-38100/

Last edited by beachboy2; 11-13-2019 at 03:36 AM.
 
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Old 11-13-2019, 07:56 AM   #6
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Fedora has a very detailed page on downloading, verifying, preparing and installing at the link below. Should help to read through it as well as reading up on dual-booting with windows on a UEFI machine which windows 10 usually is.

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US...install-guide/
 
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Old 11-13-2019, 12:05 PM   #7
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Remember that you can put the iso on a DVD or USB stick and run it (a little slowly) from that. That will give you an idea of what it's like — you might hate it! Actually Fedora is quite good. Normally we don't recommend it for a beginner, as it has frequent releases, a short support period, and is something of a test-bed — you'll certainly get the latest ideas before most others. But if you're prepared to be adventurous, it's well worth trying.

As has been said, the man pages are not for reading. The best way to learn is to start experimenting with the tools in the menu. The command line is not essential, although a very quick way of doing some things. You can find a guide to using it at
https://linux.die.net/
 
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Old 11-13-2019, 09:54 PM   #8
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Success at Install !!

Thanks again to all that gave me the links and tips. Unfortunately my installation for Fedora did not work for me. However I was successful installing Ubuntu using pendrivelinux to a second hard drive. I will have to keep trying to see if I can get Ubuntu to duelboot.

Thanks again....

Joe2Shacks
 
Old 11-13-2019, 11:16 PM   #9
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May I suggest Rute User's Tutorial and Exposition, if it's not as out-of-date as I am?

Gotta start somewhere! This seemed good close to my start, hope it does some good for you, n00b!
 
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Old 11-14-2019, 09:00 AM   #10
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I definitely think for the best trouble free dual boot experience, I'd recommend installing Linux to a 2nd hard drive. You can definitely do them both on the same hard drive, but sometimes Windows doesn't want to behave. Linux can multi-boot all day long on the same drive...BUT alongside Windows there is a high risk for trouble. It's possible things have gotten better with this, I haven't multi-booted Linux/Windows in a while. So definitely good you went the 2nd hard drive route.

As for Fedora, sorry it didn't work out...maybe it was for the best. I used Fedora in the early days. It's a good distro but I ran into dependency issues that left a bad taste in my mouth. Basically started uninstalling things I thought I didn't need, and next thing I know programs aren't working, errors galore, etc.

The Ubuntus and Ubuntu based distros are generally a good start for beginners anyways.
 
Old 11-14-2019, 10:46 AM   #11
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(...) Fedora did not work for me. However I was successful installing Ubuntu using pendrivelinux to a second hard drive. I will have to keep trying to see if I can get Ubuntu to duelboot.
Honored by your presence, Sir.

I have sympathized with “The Church” since the beginning, if I am not erring.

While all distributions have their specifics and either please or disappoint more or less one or the other.., do not jump to conclusions after that Fedora flop. Once installed and running, I venture to say, the differences become less obvious as regards the average usual Linux distributions. Distributions are mostly chosen for the programs that they include by default, especially the graphical user-interfaces appear to weigh heavily.

You may though already be aware of the fact that most programs, maybe all, which are part of one distribution can be run on any of the others. I do not think that the distributions that I have used during the last ... fifteen ... years, and more, resembled the default installation that the maintainers had in mind.

So, “liking” one distribution more than another, once you are in the position to do that, might require a quite detailed scrutiny of the system and its features.

P.S.: I cannot but have to add to Basslord1124's statement that “Mint”, which was most of the time Ubuntu-based, had been called “the distribution for people who have no friends”. I installed it for relatives who live far away from me and who would not dare to ask for help or do not know how to do that, when I am not around.

Last edited by Michael Uplawski; 11-14-2019 at 11:18 AM. Reason: Kraut2English, an ongoing effort. Stay tuned... rubbish. Useless parenthesis removed.
 
  


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