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Old 08-02-2017, 12:41 PM   #91
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Do any of you use BBS ? I like to telnet and BBS play these silly 4-6-8-2 games with spiders and big rats, it brings me back to my youth.
Whoops that is no linux question, oh yes it is, i installed putty and can now bbs with my linux system :-) only it gives errors in the terminal, but hey it works. This is my new thinking, if it works, it must be ok. I am always asking things how or why they work. But maybe i just have to think like my kids. When i ask them how it does that, they say, don't matter, it works.

No i need to know what is going on, i can not think like this !

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Old 08-02-2017, 12:44 PM   #92
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Do any of you use BBS ? I like to telnet and BBS play these silly 4-6-8-2 games with spiders and big rats, it brings me back to my youth.
Whoops that is no linux question, oh yes it is, i installed putty and can now bbs with my linux system :-) only it gives errors in the terminal, but hey it works. This is my new thinking, if it works, it must be ok. I am always asking things how or why they work. But maybe i just have to think like my kids. When i ask them how it does that, they say, don't matter, it works.
... Yes, but a healthy curiosity concerning HOW things work is a good thing, in my opinion, and I would encourage you to continue with your quest for understanding !
 
Old 08-02-2017, 12:59 PM   #93
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I;d like to thank you all again, specially hazel for putting up with al my noob questions, but i get the feeling i learned some stuff today. So tomorrow i will be back and try again to get some sense about my debian os on my ubuntu flavor mint distro with my kde desktop, i think.

Would it be possible to update to Mint Sonya from within Rafaella, which assumingly i am running now. At least that is what it says when i do lsb_release -a Only it is also cinnamon because in the boot menu it says Mint Cinnamon. Whhaaaa, thanks all have a nice evening or what ever. Bye

(I sometimes have the idea i am in a chatroom :-p )
 
Old 08-02-2017, 01:03 PM   #94
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GTK (originally GIMP ToolKit) and its variants are shared libraries that are required for graphics management. A great number of GUI applications depend on it and will have it identified as a dependency in their installation package. If the software you are trying to run (Sudoku) is complaining about its absence, did you install Sudoku via your package manager ? If not, you have a good example of why it is not best practice to do that. If yes, it is somewhat surprising and I would recommend you trying to reinstall via the package manager.
Nah, he can't do that! It's a sudoku helper program that I wrote for my own use, so he has to build it from source. I used the gtk2 widget kit because you can more or less assume that everybody has that, but of course he needs the gtk2-dev package too for the build. And this is one of those fellows who always try to run before they can walk. Endearing in a way, but I do wish he'd slow down and read up some background.

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Old 08-02-2017, 01:18 PM   #95
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Would it be possible to update to Mint Sonya from within Rafaella, which assumingly i am running now. At least that is what it says when i do lsb_release -a
That should be possible. Can you post the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list?
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Only it is also cinnamon because in the boot menu it says Mint Cinnamon.
Cinnamon is the desktop. Unlike many distros, Mint comes in two "editions" with different desktops: cinnamon and mate.
 
Old 08-02-2017, 02:50 PM   #96
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Debian stable tends to only use ONE kernel. Although there are a few available depending on your hardware. But if you have anything recent (< 5 years) and x86 based, then the one you'll use is probably the package named linux-image-amd64. Version 3.16.x for jessie (old stable), version 4.9.x for stretch (new stable circa July 2017). Bear in mind that a lot of things get patched to those kernels from newer ones, so they're not as old as they seem.

As far as from source things, the default location is /usr/local/... where distro defaults are /usr/ for the default. If you don't want to edit $PATH you can generally ./configure --prefix=/usr to use the distros default location. Which can be risky. If they have a ./debian/ option in the sources, you can most times make a .deb and use the package management system to install it which is much safer. Otherwise I tend to compile, but NOT install in $HOME/ and run it from $HOME/sources/executable. There's a package named stow that lets you manage non-distro based source things. Just bear in mind that every non-distro customization is more work the next time you do a clean / fresh install and want to keep those extras.
 
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Nah, he can't do that! It's a sudoku helper program that I wrote for my own use, so he has to build it from source. I used the gtk2 widget kit because you can more or less assume that everybody has that, but of course he needs the gtk2-dev package too for the build. And this is one of those fellows who always try to run before they can walk. Endearing in a way, but I do wish he'd slow down and read up some background.
.. gotcha, Hazel ...

... and I hear you concerning the OP's learning "methodology" ... . That said, I prefer to help someone like him (or her, I suppose), than someone who is not willing to get their feet wet at all. Shows spunk, I guess.

Cheers and thanks on behalf of all of us members for offering so much useful assistance in this thread !
 
Old 08-03-2017, 05:35 AM   #98
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Talking Chatroom: spunky newbie's awesome discoverieS (edit#1;GoAdvanced)

I *love* this chatroom (Tho Wisdom spotted our , I think this is 1precedent)

My thoughts for today: Oh NO!: don't be seduced by bloated?GUI! Bottoms-up CLI
I rushed to DuckDuckGo.ogle (&found some!): sudoku tui|cli linux

Are you into books? (me: public library) HowLinuxWorks/LinuxBible9thEd or www here/here
 
Old 08-03-2017, 09:29 AM   #99
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Nah, he can't do that! It's a sudoku helper program that I wrote for my own use, so he has to build it from source. I used the gtk2 widget kit because you can more or less assume that everybody has that, but of course he needs the gtk2-dev package too for the build. And this is one of those fellows who always try to run before they can walk. Endearing in a way, but I do wish he'd slow down and read up some background.
Hey, I got it working :-D Took me all day, but it works. Don't have much use for it, but I know now how configure - make and install works.. That's a good thing right.
 
Old 08-03-2017, 09:32 AM   #100
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I *love* this chatroom (Tho Wisdom spotted our , I think this is 1precedent)

My thoughts for today: Oh NO!: don't be seduced by bloated?GUI! Bottoms-up CLI
I rushed to DuckDuckGo.ogle (&found some!): sudoku tui|cli linux

Are you into books? (me: public library) HowLinuxWorks/LinuxBible9thEd or www here/here
I am sorry it are more than 2 questions, but if i have to start a thread every new question i have i myself get lost. So i find it handy this way. But thank you for pointing out with all the links you've provided. They are really useful. :-)
 
Old 08-03-2017, 09:35 AM   #101
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Hey, I got it working :-D Took me all day, but it works. Don't have much use for it, but I know now how configure - make and install works.. That's a good thing right.

It is indeed .. .Congrats Jinux75 !
 
Old 08-03-2017, 09:46 AM   #102
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.. gotcha, Hazel ...

... and I hear you concerning the OP's learning "methodology" ... . That said, I prefer to help someone like him (or her, I suppose), than someone who is not willing to get their feet wet at all. Shows spunk, I guess.

Cheers and thanks on behalf of all of us members for offering so much useful assistance in this thread !
Well, I actually had to work today, so not much command line interpreting for me. :-p
Maybe I should close this thread? And make a new one each time i have a question with a real good title? after all ?
I do not want to mess up the forum, i am a bit over enthusiastic when i try new things and forget the rules and sometimes feelings which other persons may get reading my mambo jumbo ...

Anyway, nice evening.
 
Old 08-03-2017, 09:56 AM   #103
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Yes, I think that would be a good idea. A multipurpose thread like this isn't very useful to future googlers. And please do some reading. I know young people nowadays find reading paper sources difficult but there is loads of online documentation about Linux.
 
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Hi,

Hit an miss is not the way to learn something. I do suggest that you consider some good references.
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"Knowledge is of two kinds. We Know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it."- Samuel Johnson
Some of the following links can be very useful to a new user.
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Just a few links to aid you to gaining some understanding;
Reference #1 above is a large Linux documentation resource.
Rute is dated but still provides basic information to aid a newbie.

Maybe you should consider reading some of the documentation so you can form good skill building thus allowing you to formulate presentable queries instead of treating your LQ sessions like a chat room.

Please consider reading http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...#faq_lqwelcome

Have fun & enjoy!
Hope this helps.

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Old 08-03-2017, 10:22 AM   #105
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In the spirit of suggesting potential reading material and at the risk of sounding like a hawker for Arch Linux, the Arch Linux wiki is a pretty good general linux reference along with being THE indispensable reference for Arch users. I learned loads about linux after adopting Arch.

This said, I actually recommend you NOT try Arch as a distro at this stage. It requires quite a bit of DIY.

Cheers, and keep being curious, Jinux75 !
 
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