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crayzihorse 04-02-2007 04:54 PM

New Slack 11 Install with a Side-Order of Win2K for games - Fresh Multiboot

(... skip the first 4 paras for the actual support question)

soon i will be finally rid of the mess that is Windows.

ive played around with bootloaders for mixed OS's and 'Win only' multiboots. ive installed linux and run liveCD's of various sorts.

other than that im a linux newb.

a few weeks ago i was planning an install of slack 11. i got the rootdisks, bootdisks, and my selected packages. then i bought more hardware and decided i want to redo my whole environment (well, nearly).

What is the most solid way to install Slackaware as the main OS with a secondary boot into Windows 2000?

is only for games and a few dribs and drabs of software that i have yet to find/learn for Linux.

i dont even really care if Win2K and Slack dont end up communicating well (if thats a consideration for this advice) as I have 2 massive eSATA drives that can be formatted to service both.
they may even end up in a NAS device formatted to UFS for example, whic would make for less plug swappin :)

is for everything else. i particularly want an install that i can take snaps of and really get into making a solid customised workstation (and learn!)

** i would like to only use one 160GB disk, unless two disks are far preferred. my desktop machine has a midget case :S


if it helps this discussion i have cl disk utils and both 'Paragon Partition Mngr' and 'Partition Magic'

perhaps lilo will do the whole trick?

thanks in advance.

EDIT: for G r a p e f r u i Tgirl and others :)
for "cl" above i meant "command line". i dont always get what i want with the 'big' packages.

and for "NAS"; it is "Network Attached Storage". see the very young but looking good project or NASLite+

GrapefruiTgirl 04-02-2007 05:22 PM

Here's some basic advice to get you started. This advice is pretty general, and much more can be found around LQ here. Plus, I don't know what NAS or cl is, but you won't need them to install/use Slackware..
LILO or GRUB will both take care of booting both OS's, I use LILO, so any particular bootloader instructions I give refer to LILO. Read up on each if you would like to decide for yourself which you prefer.
Now... Whichever way you decide to make partitions, whether with Partition magic or some other method, doesn't matter, as long as they are made somehow.
You will want ONE partition about 1 or 2 GB for SWAP space.
You want ONE partition of 5 GB or more, for the actual installation / root of the system. Make it as big as you like, but it doesn't have to be bigger than that. Slack is about 3 or 4 GB if fully installed. If you want more room, make it bigger. Mine is about 30 GB, but whatever you like. You can make more too, if you want more for like /home and maybe other stuff.. You can add them later, no problem. Root is most important to get going.
And those are all you absolutely need to start with.
SO, run the install CD #1 and follow along with the directions. they are very clear and easy.
You can format the partitions during the install, and I use Ext2 as the root format type. Choose one of the others if you like, but this is the easiest and works fine. Select the SWAP partition next..
Finally, it will ask you to set up the bootloader.
Choose LILO, and install it to the MBR.
LILO will likely identify the Windows installation automatically, and add it for you. If it doesn't, don't worry-- You can add it later, no problem.
Thats about it to get you going :).
If you have any troubles, just ask here!

titopoquito 04-02-2007 05:39 PM

To add some thoughts:

First install Windows on one or two partitions as you like (I prefer to separate programs and data). Then install Slackware afterwards.

If you want to try out suspend2 (suspend system to harddisk) make your swap partition at least as big as your RAM.

To share files between Linux and Windows you have at least ext2/ext3 (there is a Windows driver for them), ntfs (there is the ntfs-3g driver for Linux which supports read and write operations) or fat32 (supported out of the box). UDF is not needed I think. I vote for ntfs and ntfs-3g driver. This would require you to install a 2.6.x kernel, so booting up with huge26.s and installing it would be my choice. If you do it remember installing the modules for this kernel from /extra folder after you booted up first.

crayzihorse 04-02-2007 07:43 PM

thanks grapefruit and tito, you guys are quick to draw...


If you have any troubles, just ask here!
no doubt. heh. im starting to like this place already

if i make my own iso will it boot the regular install routine? i suppose it will if ive understood the point of the rootdisk routine?!? (i have A, KDE, L, N, and X plus 'rootdisks', 'bootdisks')

explained here

okie, so i make partitions then install win2K... then install linux via boot floppy;root floppy;boot iso

** as i wrote at the abovementioned thread: i _was_ aiming to install the main sets and pkges from a USB/eSATA/NAS HDD. (i hate CD's :P )

what about windows giving me grief about the 1024cyl boundary? i want slack up the front! (ill edit here after i have a look)

thanks again for the help

GrapefruiTgirl 04-02-2007 08:17 PM

I'm not sure what the procedure will be when you make a custom ISO. I guess if you have found instructions, and they're on here, they're probably edited and accurate to some degree ;) so should work..
Not sure what will be the routine with the boot floppy/root disk/boot ISO. I used the 3 ISO's I downloaded, the way they are. You can pick and choose what you want off them, if you want less than everything.
And, I don't know about the '1024 cylinder boundary vs. Windows' either. :) Should be fine. Plus, if you use gparted (it's like Partition Magic, only it's linux) you can put the partitions wherever you like, at the front of the drive, or back, or wherever.
Sounds like you're doing fine!

crayzihorse 04-02-2007 11:32 PM

hm. apparently Lilo can now load into partitions that are created outside the '1024 cylinder boundary'.

with a disk of 80GB we can easily shove two 4.8GB primary partitions inside the dreaded 1024cyl. (i havent looked at the 160GB i plan to use yet)

i know it wont change the outcomes much but i guess i am a bit 'hung up' on making the linux section of the disk the focus - and in my mind that is in the beginning of the partition table.

the thing that is interesting (and holding me up!) is that i find we can shove the data 'anywhereish' and then just mod the partition table.

is the 1024 cylinder boundary requirement dead? i mean; dont we have have the system files _physically placed_ inside there anymore?

(ill probably read this later and realise that i have gone really far too long without sleep!)

crayzihorse 04-02-2007 11:47 PM

EDIT: * by swithing around the 'primary slots'
'A La' what GrapefruiTgirl says;

...if you use gparted... you can put the partitions wherever you like, at the front of the drive, or back, or wherever.
meaning that the data can be anywhere as long as lilo references it as the 'first primary partition'.

GrapefruiTgirl 04-02-2007 11:48 PM

LOL.. Don't worry about where anything is on the drive; that's my advice. I am using a 320 GB hard drive, and theres no problem. Just remember, you can only have 4 primary partitions, so if you will want more, make en extended partition, and put Slack in a logical partition inside it.
Example: My disk is /dev/hda , and the Primary partition is /dev/hda1, and I boot my Slack from /dev/hda5, which happens to be the first LOGICAL partition inside EXTENDED partition /hda1

Junior Hacker 04-03-2007 12:17 AM

Lilo used to have a limitation where the /boot sector had to be within the first 1024 cylinders, but I believe this has changed as Mandriva 2007 has Lilo as it's default bootloader and I've installed and booted it well past the 1024th cylinder. But, if you have a choice, use grub, as I did with Mandriva.
If you set up a shared data partition, allocate it high (at the end of the drive), make it an NTFS partition and install ntfs-3g and fuse from in Slack. Slack is not exactly "newbie freindly" by the way.
Install Win2k first, then Linux, the bootloader section of the LInux installation should give you the option of configuring it to include Win2k as a bootable partition.
Smaller / (root) partitions towards the beggining of a drive (allocated low) yield better performance. 10GB is enough room for initial installation plus expansion (adding apps & games etc.).

You can have 255 primary partitions and no extended & logical bullshit with chainloading problems and viruses in the MBR rendering all system useless using modern boot managers:

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