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cascade9 · 06-27-2017, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rom77

model name : Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.80GHz
cpu MHz : 1862.000

Without a bit more detial, I'd guess you have an old 2.8GHz Pentium 4 based celeron. Either your CPU is throttled down due to heat, or you are running the wrong front side bus.

If it is a old 2.8GHz celeron they are slower drunken sloth.

But to be sure about the model, could you run this command and paste its output here-

lshw

Please post the output using 'code' tags as lshw has a long output and it makes the forum a mess if you just paste it into a post. The code tags are the '#' above the posting area.

rom77 · 06-27-2017, 05:24 PM

@ mark_alfred
Thank you for your ideas.

--Gutenprint is updated.
--foomatic-db-gutenprint also installed
test page is still not printed, New: no error message
Instead:
Canon_MX470_series-339 completed at Wed Jun 28 00:20:09 2017
Canon_MX470_series-338 completed at Wed Jun 28 00:07:07 2017
(CUPS)

--autoremove and autoclean
done (some 60 MB data removed), no difference with browser-performance
I do not have many tabs opened, btw no big difference in performance with even 8 tabs open

-- how do I change to another Desktop system?(sorry, I have no idea how to do that)
I am using KDE Plasma Desktop
greetings
Rom

rom77 · 06-27-2017, 05:43 PM

@cascade9
well, here is my lshw output (hope thats the way you suggested) ;-)

Code:

   description: Mini Tower Computer                                                                                                                                                                                                                                           
    product: ESPRIMO P                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
    vendor: FUJITSU SIEMENS                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
    version: ESPP                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
    serial: YBBG017807                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
    width: 32 bits                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                             
    capabilities: smbios-2.34 dmi-2.34                                                                                                                                                                                                                                         
    configuration: boot=normal chassis=mini-tower uuid=6BFAD6A2-14DE-11DA-B8A8-003005A5CFC0                                                                                                                                                                                    
  *-core                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
       description: Motherboard                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
       product: D2151-A1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
       vendor: FUJITSU SIEMENS                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
       physical id: 0                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
       version: S26361-D2151-A1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
       serial: 18258189                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        
     *-firmware                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                
          description: BIOS                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                    
          vendor: FUJITSU SIEMENS // Phoenix Technologies Ltd.                                                                                                                                                                                                                 
          physical id: 0                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                       
          version: 5.00 R1.06.2151.A1                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
          date: 08/04/2005                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
          size: 98KiB                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                          
          capacity: 448KiB                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     
          capabilities: pci pnp apm upgrade shadowing escd cdboot bootselect int13floppynec int13floppytoshiba int13floppy360 int13floppy1200 int13floppy720 int13floppy2880 int5printscreen int9keyboard int14serial int17printer int10video acpi usb ls120boot zipboot biosbootspecification
     *-cpu
          description: CPU
          product: Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 2.80GHz
          vendor: Intel Corp.
          physical id: 4
          bus info: cpu@0
          version: 15.4.1
          serial: 0000-0F41-0000-0000-0000-0000
          slot: CPU
          size: 2800MHz
          capacity: 2800MHz
          width: 64 bits
          clock: 533MHz
          capabilities: fpu fpu_exception wp vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe nx x86-64 constant_tsc up pebs bts pni dtes64 monitor ds_cpl tm2 cid cx16 xtpr cpufreq
          configuration: id=0
        *-cache:0
             description: L1 cache
             physical id: 5
             slot: L1 Cache
             size: 16KiB
             capacity: 32KiB
             capabilities: burst synchronous internal write-through data
        *-cache:1
             description: L2 cache
             physical id: 6
             slot: L2 Cache
             size: 256KiB
             capacity: 1MiB
             capabilities: burst internal write-back unified
     *-memory
          description: System Memory
          physical id: 20
          slot: System board or motherboard
          size: 2560MiB
        *-bank:0
             description: DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 400 MHz (2,5 ns)
             physical id: 0
             slot: Slot-1
             size: 256MiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 400MHz (2.5ns)
        *-bank:1
             description: DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 400 MHz (2,5 ns)
             physical id: 1
             slot: Slot-3
             size: 1GiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 400MHz (2.5ns)
        *-bank:2
             description: DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 400 MHz (2,5 ns)
             physical id: 2
             slot: Slot-2
             size: 256MiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 400MHz (2.5ns)
        *-bank:3
             description: DIMM DDR2 Synchronous 400 MHz (2,5 ns)
             physical id: 3
             slot: Slot-4
             size: 1GiB
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 400MHz (2.5ns)
     *-pci
          description: Host bridge
          product: 82945G/GZ/P/PL Memory Controller Hub
          vendor: Intel Corporation
          physical id: 100
          bus info: pci@0000:00:00.0
          version: 02
          width: 32 bits
          clock: 33MHz
          configuration: driver=agpgart-intel
          resources: irq:0
        *-display:0
             description: VGA compatible controller
             product: 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:02.0
             version: 02
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: msi pm vga_controller bus_master cap_list rom
             configuration: driver=i915 latency=0
             resources: irq:16 memory:f0080000-f00fffff ioport:2000(size=8) memory:e0000000-efffffff memory:f0040000-f007ffff
        *-display:1 UNCLAIMED
             description: Display controller
             product: 82945G/GZ Integrated Graphics Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 2.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:02.1
             version: 02
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
             configuration: latency=0
             resources: memory:f0100000-f017ffff
        *-multimedia
             description: Audio device
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family High Definition Audio Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1b
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1b.0
             version: 01
             width: 64 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
             resources: irq:40 memory:f0000000-f0003fff
        *-pci:0
             description: PCI bridge
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 1
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.0
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport
             resources: irq:17 ioport:7000(size=4096) memory:a0a00000-a0bfffff ioport:a0c00000(size=2097152)
        *-pci:1
             description: PCI bridge
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 2
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.1
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport
             resources: irq:16 ioport:6000(size=4096) memory:f0200000-f02fffff ioport:a0800000(size=2097152)
           *-network
                description: Ethernet interface
                product: NetXtreme BCM5751 Gigabit Ethernet PCI Express
                vendor: Broadcom Corporation
                physical id: 0
                bus info: pci@0000:05:00.0
                logical name: eth0
                version: 01
                serial: 00:30:05:a5:cf:c0
                size: 100Mbit/s
                capacity: 1Gbit/s
                width: 64 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm vpd msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list ethernet physical tp 10bt 10bt-fd 100bt 100bt-fd 1000bt 1000bt-fd autonegotiation
                configuration: autonegotiation=on broadcast=yes driver=tg3 driverversion=3.121 duplex=full firmware=5751-v3.47a ip=192.168.2.107 latency=0 link=yes multicast=yes port=twisted pair speed=100Mbit/s
                resources: irq:17 memory:f0200000-f020ffff
        *-pci:2
             description: PCI bridge
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 3
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.2
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport
             resources: irq:18 ioport:5000(size=4096) memory:a0400000-a05fffff ioport:a0600000(size=2097152)
        *-pci:3
             description: PCI bridge
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family PCI Express Port 4
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1c.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1c.3
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci pciexpress msi pm normal_decode bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=pcieport
             resources: irq:19 ioport:1000(size=4096) memory:a0000000-a01fffff ioport:a0200000(size=2097152)
        *-usb:0
             description: USB controller
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #1
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.0
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: uhci bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:23 ioport:2400(size=32)
        *-usb:1
             description: USB controller
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #2
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.1
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.1
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: uhci bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:22 ioport:2800(size=32)
        *-usb:2
             description: USB controller
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #3
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.2
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: uhci bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:21 ioport:2c00(size=32)
        *-usb:3
             description: USB controller
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family USB UHCI Controller #4
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.3
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: uhci bus_master
             configuration: driver=uhci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:20 ioport:3000(size=32)
        *-usb:4
             description: USB controller
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family USB2 EHCI Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1d.7
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1d.7
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pm ehci bus_master cap_list
             configuration: driver=ehci_hcd latency=0
             resources: irq:23 memory:f0004000-f00043ff
        *-pci:4
             description: PCI bridge
             product: 82801 PCI Bridge
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1e
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1e.0
             version: e1
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: pci subtractive_decode bus_master cap_list
             resources: ioport:4000(size=4096)
           *-multimedia
                description: Multimedia audio controller
                product: SB Live! EMU10k1
                vendor: Creative Labs
                physical id: 5
                bus info: pci@0000:0b:05.0
                version: 06
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=snd_emu10k1 latency=64 maxlatency=20 mingnt=2
                resources: irq:22 ioport:4000(size=32)
           *-input
                description: Input device controller
                product: SB Live! Game Port
                vendor: Creative Labs
                physical id: 5.1
                bus info: pci@0000:0b:05.1
                version: 06
                width: 32 bits
                clock: 33MHz
                capabilities: pm bus_master cap_list
                configuration: driver=Emu10k1_gameport latency=64
                resources: irq:0 ioport:4400(size=8)
        *-isa
             description: ISA bridge
             product: 82801GB/GR (ICH7 Family) LPC Interface Bridge
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.0
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             capabilities: isa bus_master cap_list
             configuration: latency=0
        *-ide
             description: IDE interface
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family SATA Controller [IDE mode]
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.2
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.2
             logical name: scsi0
             logical name: scsi1
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 66MHz
             capabilities: ide pm bus_master cap_list emulated
             configuration: driver=ata_piix latency=0
             resources: irq:19 ioport:1f0(size=8) ioport:3f6 ioport:170(size=8) ioport:376 ioport:3800(size=16)
           *-disk
                description: ATA Disk
                product: WDC WD800JD-55JR
                vendor: Western Digital
                physical id: 0.0.0
                bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0
                logical name: /dev/sda
                version: 05.0
                serial: WD-WCAMD4073591
                size: 74GiB (80GB)
                capabilities: partitioned partitioned:dos
                configuration: ansiversion=5 sectorsize=512 signature=000292bf
              *-volume:0
                   description: EXT4 volume
                   vendor: Linux
                   physical id: 1
                   bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,1
                   logical name: /dev/sda1
                   logical name: /
                   version: 1.0
                   serial: 2e039200-b5fe-4b5c-9cfc-67b54dd06cf0
                   size: 333MiB
                   capacity: 333MiB
                   capabilities: primary bootable journaled extended_attributes huge_files dir_nlink extents ext4 ext2 initialized
                   configuration: created=2013-05-16 11:17:20 filesystem=ext4 lastmountpoint=/ modified=2017-06-27 08:11:07 mount.fstype=ext4 mount.options=rw,relatime,errors=remount-ro,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered mounted=2017-06-27 08:11:07 state=mounted
              *-volume:1
                   description: Extended partition
                   physical id: 2
                   bus info: scsi@0:0.0.0,2
                   logical name: /dev/sda2
                   size: 74GiB
                   capacity: 74GiB
                   capabilities: primary extended partitioned partitioned:extended
                 *-logicalvolume:0
                      description: Linux filesystem partition
                      physical id: 5
                      logical name: /dev/sda5
                      logical name: /usr
                      capacity: 8582MiB
                      configuration: mount.fstype=ext4 mount.options=rw,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered state=mounted
                 *-logicalvolume:1
                      description: Linux filesystem partition
                      physical id: 6
                      logical name: /dev/sda6
                      logical name: /var
                      capacity: 2860MiB
                      configuration: mount.fstype=ext4 mount.options=rw,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered state=mounted
                 *-logicalvolume:2
                      description: Linux swap / Solaris partition
                      physical id: 7
                      logical name: /dev/sda7
                      capacity: 5099MiB
                      capabilities: nofs
                 *-logicalvolume:3
                      description: Linux filesystem partition
                      physical id: 8
                      logical name: /dev/sda8
                      logical name: /tmp
                      capacity: 380MiB
                      configuration: mount.fstype=ext4 mount.options=rw,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered state=mounted
                 *-logicalvolume:4
                      description: Linux filesystem partition
                      physical id: 9
                      logical name: /dev/sda9
                      logical name: /home
                      capacity: 57GiB
                      configuration: mount.fstype=ext4 mount.options=rw,relatime,user_xattr,barrier=1,data=ordered state=mounted
           *-cdrom
                description: DVD-RAM writer
                product: DVDRAM GSA-4082B
                vendor: HL-DT-ST
                physical id: 0.1.0
                bus info: scsi@1:0.1.0
                logical name: /dev/cdrom
                logical name: /dev/cdrw
                logical name: /dev/dvd
                logical name: /dev/dvdrw
                logical name: /dev/sr0
                version: A201
                capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
                configuration: ansiversion=5 status=nodisc
        *-serial
             description: SMBus
             product: NM10/ICH7 Family SMBus Controller
             vendor: Intel Corporation
             physical id: 1f.3
             bus info: pci@0000:00:1f.3
             version: 01
             width: 32 bits
             clock: 33MHz
             configuration: driver=i801_smbus latency=0
             resources: irq:19 ioport:3400(size=32)
  *-power UNCLAIMED
       description: S26113-E507-V50
       physical id: 1
       version: GS02 REV02
       serial: 012537
       capacity: 220mWh

Ztcoracat · 06-27-2017, 05:48 PM

Quote:

how do I change to another Desktop system?

If another DE is already installed you can change to that different DE when you first sign into your distro when it boots up......Otherwise:

You can install the Mate desktop if you like. But there are others like XFCE, LXDE and others.

https://wiki.debian.org/Mate

suicidaleggroll · 06-27-2017, 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rom77

I am using KDE Plasma Desktop

Plasma is a heavyweight...one of the most demanding DEs out there. I highly suggest installing and trying out LXDE or XFCE.

AwesomeMachine · 06-27-2017, 06:25 PM

KDE plasma is the most resource intensive desktop environment. Also, firefox does vacuuming, where it sorts out all the cache information, dumps to swap if necessary, and cleans itself up. You can try putting the browser cache in a ram drive, using a script, like so:

Code:

#!/bin/bash

mount -t tmpfs -o size=512m tmpfs /usr/src/ram
exit 0
echo "OOPs, something went wrong!"

But change 512m to something more reasonable for the amount of ram you have.

Then open the page "about:config" in firefox and set "browser.cache.disk.capacity" to the size of your ram drive as specified in the script.

Set "browser.cache.disk.parent_directory" to the mount point of the ram drive as specified in the script.

Unset "browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled" and all the other smart_size related entries.

That might help. I wouldn't make the ram drive larger than 1/8 the size of ram. So, if you have 2 GB of ram, you would change 512m to 64m.

You can leave "/usr/src/ram" the same. You just have to make that directory.

mark_alfred · 06-27-2017, 10:43 PM

That's interesting AwesomeMachine. Sometimes I have issues with Firefox, given the old netbook I use. So I may try the script thing. Anyway, rom77, perhaps cleaning the cache may help (can do this under "History" in Firefox). Another suggestion I found was to check "Use hardware acceleration when available" under Edit/Preferences/Advanced/Browsing (see https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb...fox#w_browsing). I've just checked this myself, to see if it will help with the issues I myself sometimes have with Firefox.

Regarding setting up a new desktop environment, as others have mentioned, this is not too hard to do. Some of them come in "meta-packages", which are a collection of packages that sets up the basic desktop (see xfce4). If you install that (IE, "apt-get install xfce4") then upon rebooting you should see, when logging back in, that you can choose to log into xfce4 rather than kde. It may or may not help, but worth a try.

About your printer, perhaps it will work when you reboot. If not, I'm puzzled why. Did you set it up at http://localhost:631/admin ? If it is there but not working, perhaps you could troubleshoot it at http://localhost:631/printers/

Laserbeak · 06-28-2017, 04:59 AM

If it's so noticeably slow for you, then you need to bite the bullet and buy a new machine.

If you're tight on money, you can look into used ones, there are probably a lot of used computers that still are a lot more powerful than yours available for much less than you'd spend on a new one. I probably wouldn't buy one from an individual, but from a reputable company that restores computers and tests them thoroughly. I bought one from such a company, and it arrived like it was brand new, except it was in a plain brown box, not an Apple box.

The next computer I'll probably buy is a last version of the old Mac Pro. I simply don't like the new ones. Unless my laptop blows up and I have to replace it. I pray it doesn't.

Ztcoracat · 06-28-2017, 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by suicidaleggroll

Plasma is a heavyweight...one of the most demanding DEs out there. I highly suggest installing and trying out LXDE or XFCE.

Heavyweight and a RAM hog!

rom77 · 06-29-2017, 06:34 AM

Thanks a lot for your interest and help!

xfce is installed and running. Looks good.
Problems start with browsing.
-firefox => cpu at least 74 % (top) only two tabs opened,

@AwesomeMachine
sounds interesting, but sorry, I am not (yet) used to implementing scripts. Do you have some patience to help me further?
--How do I get the script of yours running?
--what about my ram? Where can I change that?
I just make a directory "ram" at /usr/src right? As root?
qoute root@griffon:/usr/src# ls -a . .. /qoute

and how do I do this:

Code:

Set "browser.cache.disk.parent_directory" to the mount point of the ram drive as specified in the script.

the entry (browser.cache.disk.capacity) should be 512 or 64? It was ( 358400)(!)Now 512.
"browser.cache.disk.smart_size.enabled" I put it on false
The same with
"browser.cache.disk.smart_size.first run"
"*.use old max"
"*.cached value"
"*_cached_value" is set to 512

You see, I use debian for years, but after having installed it, there was never a bigger problem and Í now just email and watch films via youtube (with my kids)
;-)

Firefox with new entries in "browser.cache.*" still the same problems

Laserbeak · 06-29-2017, 06:53 AM

Dude, this is at least the second time you've asked about this.

If you want a faster computer, BUY ONE, nobody here is going to buy one for you!

EDIT:

If I'm wrong, and there are such angels among us, I'd like a brand new top-of-the-line MacBook Pro plus a top-of-the line refurbished last model of the old Mac Pro, the large aluminum beast that has slots!

rom77 · 06-29-2017, 05:17 PM

@Laserbeak

Try this:
http://www.mac-forums.com/

mark_alfred · 06-30-2017, 02:22 AM

Regarding AwesomeMachine's post (#21), I don't know about setting up the script as he/she describes, but I did note his/her suggestion to limit the cache to 64MB. There is a way to do that via the preferences. So, in Firefox, select Edit/Preferences/advanced/network, and you'll see where it says "Cached Web Content". Press "Clear Now", then check "Override automatic cache management", and specify to limit the cache to 64MB. I just enabled this on my Firefox Browser. I don't know if it will help, but doesn't hurt to check, I figure.

mark_alfred · 06-30-2017, 07:52 AM

Also, regarding Firefox, I just discovered that removing unnecessary addons is helpful. Overtime I had installed various addons that I never use. So, they just sit there taking up energy. I removed about five of them (via Tools/Add-ons) and this has helped. Firefox will still consume loads of CPU when it first starts, but will settle into a more relaxed mode quicker. So, if you have a lot of addons installed that you don't need, try removing them and see.

rom77 · 06-30-2017, 02:42 PM

@mark alfred
Thanks for helping.
I set
Edit/Preferences/advanced/network/Cached Web Content
to 64m
and well there seems to be a difference! CPU load is less than 80 %sometimes down t0 20%

btw no add ons in firefox

greetings
rom77