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Old 04-04-2017, 11:37 AM   #1
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Mint 17.1 HWE EOL 14.04 message


Hi,
LM 17.1 (main OS) plus W7 & legacy bootable 17.0 on another local disk.

Fired up my PC this morning (8 hours ago) to receive a message relating to this and basically Xserver won't run.

Tried to cp various directories to my NAS but stuff didn't copy properly (notably my Thunderbird data)

Been on LM help IRC but no luck there.

Seems that I need to upgrade (the kernel?) and that from 17 to 18 should be a clean install.
...but I have an amount of data in my /home mainly that I would rather not lose. If I find what I think is the 17.1 /home dir, it is apparently empty.

So, how can I either:
(a) get Xserver running again, or
(b) copy my /home & lampp/htdocs folders to the safety of a local HDD or my NAS. so I can do a clean install of 18.1

I can boot into LM17.0 or W7 on the same PC and now have 18.1 on a DVD
Many thanks
 
Old 04-04-2017, 12:18 PM   #2
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I'd go with making a copy of the entire set of Linux partitions, not just /home and then do a full re-install.
 
Old 04-04-2017, 01:36 PM   #3
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I'd go with making a copy of the entire set of Linux partitions, not just /home and then do a full re-install.
How would I do that? I followed some cp instructions online & the folders were copied but not the contents.
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Old 04-04-2017, 01:54 PM   #4
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How would I do that? I followed some cp instructions online & the folders were copied but not the contents.
Cheers
it can't have happened exactly like that.
please show us exactly what you tried.

btw according to this linuxmint 17.1 still has 2 years before EOL...???
 
Old 04-04-2017, 02:25 PM   #5
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You could do this using cp with the -a option. Here is the man page for the cp(1) command. The -a directive is a way to request it to follow symbolic links and de-reference them so that you get the files and not just a symbolic link. Same form as the cp command, just also using the -a switch.
 
Old 04-04-2017, 03:10 PM   #6
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it can't have happened exactly like that.
please show us exactly what you tried.

btw according to this linuxmint 17.1 still has 2 years before EOL...???
No, you are correct - I couldn't get cp to work & ended up using rsync -zhva I believe. Was over 10 hours ago and a lot of water under the bridge since then...

Re LTS 2019, bit puzzled as my LM 17.0 is working fine - explained here:

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Not five years, but three years

2. The five years support period for Ubuntu LTS (and for the Linux Mint that's built on it) isn't quite correct. The full five years support with security updates, is only valid for the software that comes from the company that produces Ubuntu (Canonical) itself.

For the experienced Linux users: the software in the repository "Main". Besides the operating system as such, this contains applications like Firefox and Libre Office.

Although "Main" contains most of the software of the default installation of Ubuntu, it doesn't contain all of it. A smaller part of the default software comes from the repositories (software sources) "Universe" and "Multiverse", and those are being maintained by the Ubuntu community. Not by the company Canonical.

They contain several popular applications and things like multimedia support.

What's in "Universe" and "Multiverse", is sometimes supported for less than five years. If shorter, then usually three years at most. That's why it's wise to use an LTS version of Ubuntu for "only" three years maximum.

Before those three years are up, you can upgrade to the new LTS, because every two years a new LTS is being released. The best upgrade moment is the release of the first point version of the new LTS ("Service Pack 1"), for example 16.04.1, because by then the inevitable teething troubles of the new LTS will have been fixed.
from here: https://sites.google.com/site/easyli...ut-three-years
 
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Perhaps you needed to use sudo when you did the cp command, however it sounds as if you achieved what you wanted.
 
Old 04-04-2017, 03:14 PM   #8
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You could do this using cp with the -a option.
I did try cp with the -a switch initially as I wanted to keep the timestamp, but I was prompted to use rsync by something - when I tried cp, I couldn't determine the path to the recipient disk but by the time I tried again (later) my NAS path had been revealed.

I'll try again.
 
Old 04-04-2017, 03:23 PM   #9
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If I'm logged into my LM17.0, what I think is the /home directory for LM 17.1 shows as empty. Is this because this login/user is not the owner?

Just tried sudo cp -a /media/jonathan/[long number A] /media/jonathan/[long number B]/z
and still empty.

I don't really know what is going on.

Last edited by mogmog; 04-04-2017 at 03:44 PM. Reason: added results of further activity
 
Old 04-05-2017, 02:31 AM   #10
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you are talking about 3 different linux mint versions - 17.0, 17.1. and 18.1 - all on the same machine?
frankly i'm a little confused about what the actual problem is and what you are trying to do.
 
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you are talking about 3 different linux mint versions - 17.0, 17.1. and 18.1 - all on the same machine?
OK, I originally had 17.0 on my PC. I later upgraded to an SSD and put the then current version, 17.1 on it & for various reasons kept the old disk with 17.0 (and I'm jolly glad I did).

Now because of this HWE EOL message, I have been advised (on the Linux mint help IRC channel) to install 18.n

Various sources - eg Tecmint - state a clean install of 18 is recommended:
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...but, by that time, a direct upgrade from Linux Mint 17.3 or 17.X versions was not recommended. This was because, the Linux Mint 17 and 17.x versions are based on Ubuntu 14.04 yet Linux Mint 18 is based on Ubuntu 16.04.
http://www.tecmint.com/upgrade-linux...linux-mint-18/

All this is tangential to my question:
How can I either:
(a) get Xserver running again, or
(b) copy my /home & lampp/htdocs folders to the safety of a local HDD or my NAS. so I can do a clean install of 18.1

I can boot into LM17.0 or W7 on the same PC and now have 18.1 on a DVD
Thanks
 
Old 04-06-2017, 12:30 PM   #12
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i see, so the system we are talking about is 17.1?

anyhow...
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this HWE EOL message
i finally had a look at what this HWE actually is; here's an interesting link:
https://superuser.com/questions/1185...we-end-of-life
please read the question, all comments and the accepted answer.
maybe it helps.

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(b) copy my /home & lampp/htdocs folders to the safety of a local HDD or my NAS. so I can do a clean install of 18.1
i still don't quite understand why a simple copy does not work, you will have to provide much more detail.
can you do it on the command line? that would vastly improve our possibilities of troubleshooting together, because you can post the complete output...
 
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i still don't quite understand why a simple copy does not work, you will have to provide much more detail.
can you do it on the command line? that would vastly improve our possibilities of troubleshooting together, because you can post the complete output...
I had another go and it has worked. I think maybe i needed the -r flag to get the directory contents. I had wondered if it was as encrypted to the user, but i can read the contents now on my has, through w7.

Yes it's 17.1. Thanks for the reference, i'll look at it when I'm on a pc later this evening.
 
Old 04-06-2017, 03:25 PM   #14
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Ondoho,
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i finally had a look at what this HWE actually is; here's an interesting link:
https://superuser.com/questions/1185...we-end-of-life
please read the question, all comments and the accepted answer.
maybe it helps.

I had seen that but had passed it over as it takes the upgrade route and also because of this end bit sounds like a bundle of pain:
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Install the unmet dependencies listed in the apt output. Specifically 'libglapi-mesa-lts-xenial', 'libglapi-mesa-lts-xenial:i386', and remove the conflicts listed there too. Repair apt too, because it says you have broken packages.
Also, as still I haven't managed to sort out package problems/dependencies from an earlier problem (http://gis.stackexchange.com/questio...t362666_232883), it helps make a clean install seem less unappealing. And I've got a backup now of my data (/home is on a separate partition anyway, so I understand should be OK)so I'll take the plunge as soon as I can see a big enough lull in my work.
Thanks for your input everyone.
 
  


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