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Old 04-25-2011, 04:31 PM   #46
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he only sense it can be less arguably arguable is that it has more extensive and cohesive configuration via GUI. Besides that, it's mainly a matter of taste and familiarity, with a perhaps few exceptions where there the thing will not be always with windows on the winner side. For example, using the mouse wheel to switch between tabs, or drag-and-drop not only to move, but to move, copy or link files on the file manager. Tabs and panes on the file manager. A "move to" and "copy to" history on the context menu of a file. Multiple desktops. The list goes on. I can't think of an example on the windows' side, some GUI feature I miss from windows, and I'm not being biased here, I'm not a linux fanboy who says that "if you think that there's something wrong with linux, there's something wrong with you" and things like that.
I agree, I don't see how Windows's GUI is "better". The only way in which I think Linux GUIs are worse is that there aren't very many good GUIs for system configuration and hardware management.
 
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Old 04-25-2011, 04:33 PM   #47
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It got to be trolling.

I can only be a matter of taste, therefore familiarity, and it can't be seriously stated otherwise until a bunch of scientists devise a battery of tests confirming that, irrespective of familiarity, windows' GUI is inherently the easier to use. Somehow, MS team dug into the human instincts of what even a caveman would intuitively expect from a OS GUI.

The only sense it can be less arguably arguable is that it has more extensive and cohesive configuration via GUI. Besides that, it's mainly a matter of taste and familiarity, with a perhaps few exceptions where there the thing will not be always with windows on the winner side. For example, using the mouse wheel to switch between tabs, or drag-and-drop not only to move, but to move, copy or link files on the file manager. Tabs and panes on the file manager. A "move to" and "copy to" history on the context menu of a file. Multiple desktops. The list goes on. I can't think of an example on the windows' side, some GUI feature I miss from windows, and I'm not being biased here, I'm not a linux fanboy who says that "if you think that there's something wrong with linux, there's something wrong with you" and things like that.

Actually I just remembered one. Due to having multiple DEs, if you use software from different DEs at the same time, you may have some trouble to get an uniform look and feel, and they may not be entirely compatible in things like dragging and dropping things between different programs. But even then I'd say that perhaps the second best improvements that windows could have by "copying" something from linux, besides higher stability, would be more GUI variety. If there were a fully functional openbox or fluxbox clone shell replacement for windows I could seriously think of ditching linux altogether. If additionally there was a fully functional konqueror for windows I'd have to think very hard to find a reason why not. Perhaps the customizations and do-it-yourself tools we can get on linux with bash and other scripts, but I think one may have something equivalent on windows, I just don't know.

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No I don't think he that far off.Windows was for gamers ,business and the average person.If business or games was not your thing than Mac was your choise than especially people into graphics and ilife programs like iPhoto , iMovie ,iDVD , GarageBand ,iWeb so on. Where Unix and Linux was more for computer geeks people have no problem cammand line and tweeking it the way they like.Where windows and Mac computers was a plug in and use and from the company you like the OS or leave it point of view.

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Old 04-25-2011, 04:41 PM   #48
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Check also Ubuntu studio, the distribution specialized in multimedia editing.
Not to exactly argue against the suggestion, but how does it differ from just ubuntu or any other distro that has the same multimedia software available (probably most distributions) and just installing them afterwards? I guess it's most wallpapers and icons. I think one has to be aware of this possibility and not hurry into thinking it is specially suited for one's own purposes, at the same time he could easily do the same job, with the same software, in a distro whose core may be more reliable. Not that I have any strong argument against ubuntu myself, I just stumble on some complaints once in a while, but I don't even regard all as necessarily impartial. The whole distro thing suffers a bit from the same plague that affects politics and sports.

Anyway, my point is just somewhat like the "don't chose the distro based on the DE or screen capture" advice.
 
Old 04-25-2011, 05:12 PM   #49
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No I don't think he that far off.Windows was for gamers ,business and the average person.If business or games was not your think than Mac was choise especially people into graphics and ilife programs like iPhoto , iMovie ,iDVD , GarageBand ,iWeb so on. Where Unix and Linux was more for computer geeks people have no problem cammand line and tweeking it the way they like.Where windows and Mac computers was a plug in and use and from the company you like the OS or leave it point of view.
The main reason for that is not so much an astoundingly superior GUI that everyone gets immediately, but that windows, unlike linux, started as a mass product, not just a hobby. And unlike apple's OS X or IBM's OS 2, windows wasn't so picky about expensive hardware, so it became more accessible to everyone's pockets. In an internetless age, it could even be less expensive than linux, in a way. Surely more feasible for the non-fourth-dan-black-belt geek. That all contributed with the consolidation of the scenario, most third parties developed software for windows, which was and still is the biggest market.

The difference from windows GUI to linux GUIs isn't that much larger than between different windows versions or between different software on windows, specially some more eccentric software that have a different "skin" or something. Besides that, the single greatest indisputable advantage of the windows GUI isn't regarding day-by-day use, but not having to almost never venture into command line to configure anything.
 
Old 04-26-2011, 03:58 AM   #50
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Anyways I think at this point is picking the right GUI.I think KDE and trinity may be good , not sure about going about it has some members here say it can be hard has no distributions have it.
Yep, I said that (and so did TobiSGD). Getting trinity running for a new user could be way to hard.

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And the new GNOME will be a problem same with Ubuntu now using unity .
Gnome 3.X should work, but IMO its still too new and will have bugs.

You really dont want Gnome 3.X or unity, they are about as far from the win98 GUI as you will get from popular desktops.

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The members saying I could find a older Ubuntu not using unity ,older GNOME than the new one coming out , older KDE but saying I will run into problems.
Even the newest unbuntu versions can still use Gnome 2.X, for now anyway.

Gnome 2.X is IMO less like Win98 than most of the other desktops. Its got 2 bars (top and bottom), multipule menus (not just 'start' button like KDE 3.X, KDE 4.X, XFCE or LXDE), and is not a good idea for various reasons.

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Not to sure what more I can say in this thread and what to do as it looks like I'm out of luck .
You are a long way from 'out of luck'

You will never get a single answer for your questions. Even if you do, it could well be 'wrong'. Probably not technically wrong, but how much you think desktop XXX looks or feels like Win98, WinXP or Win7 is going to vary, and what one person thinks is win98 like, another person might think is winXP like.

BTW, to go back to your original question-

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I have use windows for a long time and now I want to get linux .

I will like a easy to use frendly GUI that supports multimedia and video editing.
"GUIs" dont support multimedia or video edting, thats software.

You can use the same software on almost any linux desktop, so that makes no difference to your choice.

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One that has alot of support and works well with other software and hardware.
That is provided by the OS, not a GUI. So if you are running distro XXX then you will get the same support for hardware (and software), it wont matter if you are running KDE 3.X, KDE 4.X, Gnome 2.X, Gnome 3.X, XFCE, LXDE or Fluxbox (or any of the other lesser known or used desktop/windows managers).
 
Old 04-26-2011, 09:29 AM   #51
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From what I was reading IceWM ,LXDE ( Lubuntu) , EDE or Trinity Desktop Environment get close to windows 98 look and feel.
Thumbs up for IceWM, but it is incredibly minimalist compared to Win98/XP. IceWM is just a window manager, not a desktop environment. There is nothing 'by default'. In other words, when you start IceWM, you won't see anything like 'Control Panel', 'Printers', or anything. You have to set up IceWM by yourself, which I would obviously highly recommend if you really want to learn the ropes when it comes to setting up a nice GNU/Linux distribution. I wished that someone had started me with something like IceWM or FVWM coming into the land of GNU/Linux/BSD. Command line is the blood and guts of any *NIX system.

All the desktops have their strengths and weaknesses. If you want incredible speed and responsiveness, go for IceWM on top of an i686 tuned Linux. If you want a purist and modular UNIX-like desktop environment that truly respects applications as their own objects, choose XFCE. If you want a desktop that is a bit bloated but highly integrated, choose a heavyweight like GNOME or KDE.

Treat the desktop (XFCE, GNOME, KDE), the OS (GNU/Linux, BSD, etc), and the applications you want (for multimedia, exaile or kino or audacity as examples) as separate entities. You can literally tailor GNU/Linux and BSD systems exactly the way you want them, and that makes them highly desirable in nearly any situation.

Screen shots? Just Google: Linux Multimedia. The possibilities are endless as you'll find.

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Old 04-26-2011, 09:47 AM   #52
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Gnome 2.X is IMO less like Win98 than most of the other desktops. Its got 2 bars (top and bottom), multipule menus (not just 'start' button like KDE 3.X, KDE 4.X, XFCE or LXDE)
You can easily change in to have one panel at the bottom and one menu.
 
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The members saying I could find a older Ubuntu not using unity ,older GNOME than the new one coming out , older KDE but saying I will run into problems.

Even the newest unbuntu versions can still use Gnome 2.X, for now anyway.

Gnome 2.X is IMO less like Win98 than most of the other desktops. Its got 2 bars (top and bottom), multipule menus (not just 'start' button like KDE 3.X, KDE 4.X, XFCE or LXDE), and is not a good idea for various reasons
This is the only question I have left above that I'm having a hard time to understand.

After that I think we can mark this thread has solved.
 
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This is the only question I have left above that I'm having a hard time to understand.

After that I think we can mark this thread has solved.
That qoute does not contain a question.
 
Old 04-27-2011, 02:18 PM   #55
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That qoute does not contain a question.
Yes it is .


Question - The members saying I could find a older Ubuntu not using unity ,older GNOME than the new one coming out , older KDE but saying I will run into problems.

I think what they mean by problems I will not get updates .
 
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Yes it is .
If it ends with a dot, it's stating a fact. If it ends with a question mark, it's asking a question.
 
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Question - The members saying I could find a older Ubuntu not using unity ,older GNOME than the new one coming out , older KDE but saying I will run into problems.

I think what they mean by problems I will not get updates .
Gnome 2.X is still in the repos for every distro, Gnome 3.X is still very new. KDE 4.X replaced KDE 3.X about 3 years ago, KDE 3.X isnt in the repos for any current linux distro. So to install KDE 3.X/trinity will involve getting a normal distro .iso, installing it, then installing trinity on top of whatever distro you choose to install.

The process probably wont be well documented, and will not be that easy. That is what I mean by 'run into problems'. Though you could have updating, or security problems as well.....

I dont know why you are so worried about trinity, try using some of the normal, current desktop enviroments before you start with things like trinity.
 
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KDE 3.X isnt in the repos for any current linux distro. So to install KDE 3.X/trinity will involve getting a normal distro .iso, installing it, then installing trinity on top of whatever distro you choose to install.
Okay I think what you where saying is no distro has KDE 3.X or trinity.So you will have to get distro with a GUI and install KDE 3.X or trinity but saying it is not easy for a newbie.
 
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Okay I think what you where saying is no distro has KDE 3.X or trinity.So you will have to get distro with a GUI and install KDE 3.X or trinity but saying it is not easy for a newbie.
That's right.
 
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Okay I understand.
 
  


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