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Old 04-27-2015, 04:50 PM   #16
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I imagine Fedora Workstation right (I like a GUI)
 
Old 04-27-2015, 06:55 PM   #17
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you really do not want to use fedora for an Apache web server
the full system reinstall every 6 months will be a pain in the REAR END

fedora often makes VERY BIG and sometimes DRASTIC changes from one version to the next
the 13 month life span is way to short

-- not good for a server

use Debian 8 or CentOS 7.1 or build the current Slackware
all 3 are GREAT for servers
 
Old 04-28-2015, 03:15 AM   #18
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you really do not want to use fedora for an Apache web server
the full system reinstall every 6 months will be a pain in the REAR END

fedora often makes VERY BIG and sometimes DRASTIC changes from one version to the next
the 13 month life span is way to short

-- not good for a server

use Debian 8 or CentOS 7.1 or build the current Slackware
all 3 are GREAT for servers
I mentioned I used CentOS but it does not have the latest versions of Apache, MySQL and PHP avaliable.

If Debian and/or Slackware have this avaliable, awesome, Ill go with Debian as Im used to it with Ubuntu. If not...
 
Old 04-28-2015, 05:08 AM   #19
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The problem with running the "latest" anything on a public facing server (low traffic or not - you WILL be closely inspected by nefarious types) is that you are running the versions that all the new holes are being found in.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 08:33 AM   #20
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The problem with running the "latest" anything on a public facing server (low traffic or not - you WILL be closely inspected by nefarious types) is that you are running the versions that all the new holes are being found in.
I know. Im not ignorant.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 08:52 AM   #21
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Right. Well, have fun! You might want to wait until Fedora 22 is released in a bit (late May, perhaps?) if you don't want to have to perform a system-wide upgrade shortly after getting things running on F21.

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Old 04-28-2015, 01:43 PM   #22
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Right. Well, have fun! You might want to wait until Fedora 22 is released in a bit (late May, perhaps?) if you don't want to have to perform a system-wide upgrade shortly after getting things running on F21.

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Whats "funny" to me is that you say like it ALWAYS breaks. Ive worked on OpenVPN servers and web servers with Ubuntu and upgraded from LTS to LTS to LTS and there hasnt been any HUGE issues...Don't know. Creating a sandcastle out of a grain of sand...
 
Old 04-28-2015, 01:57 PM   #23
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Whats "funny" to me is that you say like it ALWAYS breaks. Ive worked on OpenVPN servers and web servers with Ubuntu and upgraded from LTS to LTS to LTS and there hasnt been any HUGE issues...Don't know. Creating a sandcastle out of a grain of sand...
What does Ubuntu have to do with Fedora? What are you even talking about? They're both linux distributions, yes, but with massively different use cases / ideologies.

Running an OpenVPN server is one hell of a lot less complicated than managing a server hosting multiple Apache sites. A webserver with enough popularity is going to get hammered compared to a VPN server, which is where the stability of CentOS or Debian and the like come into favour with so many of us. And also why we don't run a GUI on a box hosting web content.

But do what you want; I was only trying to help you out so you didn't have to worry about a major upgrade in such a short amount of time.

Feel free to experiment and see what works best for you! That's what's great about linux and all the distributions available.
 
Old 04-28-2015, 03:50 PM   #24
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What does Ubuntu have to do with Fedora? What are you even talking about? They're both linux distributions, yes, but with massively different use cases / ideologies.

Running an OpenVPN server is one hell of a lot less complicated than managing a server hosting multiple Apache sites. A webserver with enough popularity is going to get hammered compared to a VPN server, which is where the stability of CentOS or Debian and the like come into favour with so many of us. And also why we don't run a GUI on a box hosting web content.

But do what you want; I was only trying to help you out so you didn't have to worry about a major upgrade in such a short amount of time.

Feel free to experiment and see what works best for you! That's what's great about linux and all the distributions available.
Multiple Apache sites?

Im just running ONE website. Where traffic will be nearly none.

I understand you are trying to help me (and I thank you) but what bothers me is that people are saying "Use this because its more secure and it doesnt have the latest". Im not looking for that. Im looking for bleeding-edge. Im sure if my site were to explode, I would go with CentOS, yeah. But Im sure its not going to and Im looking for testing purposes doing this, this way.
 
Old 04-29-2015, 07:55 AM   #25
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If you're specifically looking to run the latest, bleeding-edge software then Fedora or perhaps even one of the "rolling release" distributions (ex: Arch) is one of the best ways to go. I think everyone here, justifiably, is against using such a potentially-unstable distribution in any kind of actual production environment. Ergo the general recommendation from most to use stable distro's such as CentOS or Debian (or perhaps even Ubuntu Server). Don't take offense at that; experienced admins are just trying to help people have a better experience. For those either in production environments, or those who do not enjoy tinkering around with settings to fine-tune things, the stable stuff makes the most sense.

That said, as your desire is to run the latest stuff, and it's just for you (and therefore unlikely to cause others grief if something were to break), I get it. I think you'll enjoy it; I've been using Fedora as a secondary workstation for years and for me it just "fits." And if you don't like it? You can always try one of the other bleeding-edge distro's and see if it fits your needs better.

Many years ago, running Fedora was very often a less-than-pleasant experience. You really had to want to try out the latest stuff, and you expected things to break. Those who used it back then can attest to how unstable it was during the 2.4-->2.6 kernel transition and how many of the packages were quite buggy. Thankfully, though, the overall recent Fedora experience is much improved. I've been running the Alpha to Beta versions of 22 and have found very few show-stopping bugs. The developers and user community are really putting together a solid product.

Enjoy your bleeding-edge server. Have fun trying new things!
 
Old 04-29-2015, 08:36 AM   #26
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If you're specifically looking to run the latest, bleeding-edge software then Fedora or perhaps even one of the "rolling release" distributions (ex: Arch) is one of the best ways to go. I think everyone here, justifiably, is against using such a potentially-unstable distribution in any kind of actual production environment. Ergo the general recommendation from most to use stable distro's such as CentOS or Debian (or perhaps even Ubuntu Server). Don't take offense at that; experienced admins are just trying to help people have a better experience. For those either in production environments, or those who do not enjoy tinkering around with settings to fine-tune things, the stable stuff makes the most sense.

That said, as your desire is to run the latest stuff, and it's just for you (and therefore unlikely to cause others grief if something were to break), I get it. I think you'll enjoy it; I've been using Fedora as a secondary workstation for years and for me it just "fits." And if you don't like it? You can always try one of the other bleeding-edge distro's and see if it fits your needs better.

Many years ago, running Fedora was very often a less-than-pleasant experience. You really had to want to try out the latest stuff, and you expected things to break. Those who used it back then can attest to how unstable it was during the 2.4-->2.6 kernel transition and how many of the packages were quite buggy. Thankfully, though, the overall recent Fedora experience is much improved. I've been running the Alpha to Beta versions of 22 and have found very few show-stopping bugs. The developers and user community are really putting together a solid product.

Enjoy your bleeding-edge server. Have fun trying new things!
Thank you, Ill try Fedora out and see how it goes.
 
Old 04-29-2015, 07:36 PM   #27
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If you're interested in the latest and greatest and like Debian, you could try Debian Unstable (Sid). I don't know if it's exactly "bleeding edge," but I know that it's rolling-release and that Debian generally uses it to make sure that a package is relatively stable before it goes into Testing.

I also read something within the past few days about a fourth version of Debian that was even more "bleeding edge" but from the little bit that I read I got the impression that it wasn't expected to be stable enough for daily use.
 
Old 04-30-2015, 02:34 AM   #28
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Installed Fedora yesterday and Apache and I must say, it was very surprisingly easy. Had to go to bed so tonight will problably install MySQL.
 
  


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