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Old 04-24-2003, 07:31 PM   #16
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Okay, I give up! I still can't get this interspersing my comments through the quotes thing! I'll have to find another way, sorry!
 
Old 04-25-2003, 03:13 AM   #17
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one of my recovery disks is the WinXP OS, all the other disks are coded using some unreadable file type
so i can set up xp home as I see fit but I can't install acrobat and word2000 from the setup disks.
Quite why Compaq have given me 4 cd's when only the OS and 2 small progs result is beyond me.
So i don't use the recovery disks to set the pc up for linux.
fdisk gets arsey when it sees anything other than nice orderly FAT32 partitions. But then again, all M$ products get arsey when they see "third party software".
How they get away with it is beyond me.
(No, no, please don't start another "why M$ suck" battle.)

I had trouble with fdisk last time round. I used disk druid off the mandrake disk to set the hard disk up, installed Windows 98 then XP, after booting from win98 floppy.
When i rebooted "no OS found".
But then fdisk sorted the HD because disk druid had removed all the linux partitions and thus fdisk didn't go into "third party non co-operation mode".

thankyou mr. gates!
 
Old 04-25-2003, 06:46 AM   #18
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Yeah, this recovery disk only instead of Original OS disks is probably one of the biggest swindles out there at the moment. I throw mine in the bin after realising they were practically useless. No wonder people download Windows from P2P - it's they only way I could get a full copy of an operating system which as far as I was concerned I had already paid for but couldn't get access to.

When I installed Linux for dual boot I used Parition Magic initially to make a Linux partition then when setting up allowed the autopartition part to delete the Linux parition and set it up again itself (probably illogical but there you go)

I don't think you'll ever be able to completely remove all linux partitions using MS FDISK.
 
Old 04-25-2003, 09:08 AM   #19
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Originally posted by Sadie Newlinux
Okay, I give up! I still can't get this interspersing my comments through the quotes thing!
It's not too hard.
Quote:
I'll have to find another way, sorry!
Just start everything you add with (/b)(/quote) to close off the quote and bold font and end everything you add with (b)(quote) to reopen the bold quoting - except use brackets rather than parentheses, of course.
 
Old 04-25-2003, 10:58 AM   #20
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Sadie I agree wholeheartedly that paying good money for a sys.
that won't allow the user to partition and install any way they choose is a rip-off. I'm in the same boat with my toshiba laptop.
I wonder did you use the partition magic floppies to work on your drive? I'm not trying to endorse the software but I used it with no problem. On other forums I have advised newbies such as myself to use it and I don't want to do that if I simply got lucky! Hope you get your sys straitened out soon.
 
Old 04-26-2003, 09:03 AM   #21
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Originally posted by salparadise
one of my recovery disks is the WinXP OS, all the other disks are coded using some unreadable file type
so i can set up xp home as I see fit but I can't install acrobat and word2000 from the setup disks.
Quite why Compaq have given me 4 cd's when only the OS and 2 small progs result is beyond me.
[/i]

I finally borrowed my sisters disks. She got the "restore disks" with her system, I got the single "recovery disk" with mine. When I inserted disk one it gave me an error saying it wasn't configured for this computer, so I stuck in the second disk just on a whim. XP OS. Worked fine, just like it did for you. Now, technically, as I understand it, all the disks should work if you put them in the drive in the right order and *if* they came with your system. If they don't, I would call Compaq. Surprisingly, they actually have a really quick response time for email tech support (around 1 hour) and all you need is the serial number of your computer.

[i]So i don't use the recovery disks to set the pc up for linux.
fdisk gets arsey when it sees anything other than nice orderly FAT32 partitions. But then again, all M$ products get arsey when they see "third party software".
How they get away with it is beyond me.
(No, no, please don't start another "why M$ suck" battle.)

I had trouble with fdisk last time round. I used disk druid off the mandrake disk to set the hard disk up, installed Windows 98 then XP, after booting from win98 floppy.
When i rebooted "no OS found".
But then fdisk sorted the HD because disk druid had removed all the linux partitions and thus fdisk didn't go into "third party non co-operation mode".

thankyou mr. gates!
I used the xp restore disk, it asked me if I wanted to repartition the harddrive, so I made four partitions. One for NTFS, and 3 for FAT 32 (figuring I could use the linux install to reformat those FAT partitions into a linux partition and a swap partition). The first time I did that, I gave c: 12G for NTFS, d: 12g for linux; e: 200M for linux swap and f: 11.?? G for shared stuff. The XP install took the operating system and put stuff on both C and D, taking up half the harddrive. This wasn't what I wanted, so I reinstalled.

The next time, I added in a 5th partition with some small space for those image files that windows xp restore wants to load on the system. I configured like this: c: 12G, d: 500m, e: 12G, f: 200m, g: 11.??G.

I figured XP would use C for programs, d for image and the rest would be fine. For some reason XP ONLY installed on C that time! Go figure. I certainly can't. Why would it install on two partitions the first time and only one the second.

Counting myself lucky, I installed Mandrake and used the partition program in the install to merge all the extra partitions, then split them into ext3 (I think), linux swap and FAT 32. I had to do this through the "Custom Partitioning" option, because the auto only gave me the choices of "Install on Windows Drive" or "Erase all Hard Drives" ick.

For some reason, it loaded and I know windows is working still, because it's all I can boot into. Lilo didn't get put properly, or something. I'm not sure why. I do remember that one of the partitions got mounted by default at /mnt/boot and I couldn't figure out why. I'm wondering if that had something to do with it.

Incidentally, I'm also wondering, does the "auto update" feature at the end of the Mandrake 9.1 installer pick up *all* the most recent updates for Mdk9.1.?

Thanks!
 
Old 04-26-2003, 09:07 AM   #22
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Originally posted by Looking_Lost
Yeah, this recovery disk only instead of Original OS disks is probably one of the biggest swindles out there at the moment.

I totally agree.

I throw mine in the bin after realising they were practically useless. No wonder people download Windows from P2P - it's they only way I could get a full copy of an operating system which as far as I was concerned I had already paid for but couldn't get access to.

What's P2P?

When I installed Linux for dual boot I used Parition Magic initially to make a Linux partition then when setting up allowed the autopartition part to delete the Linux parition and set it up again itself (probably illogical but there you go)

I don't think you'll ever be able to completely remove all linux partitions using MS FDISK.
I couldn't. I had to let the windows xp os repartition everything. That worked, *when* I was given the option to partition the harddrive the way I liked. (Which was not an option with my "Recovery Disk" but was with the "Restore Disk" I borrowed from my sis!) That erased everything.

I was going to use Active@kill<something> which someone suggested on here. I even downloaded it. But it wouldn't run under anything but Windows, which sort of defeated the purpose of using it to repartition so I could reinstall windows, lol! (I didn't have anything but Linux working. Good ole Linux how I love you already!)
 
Old 04-26-2003, 09:08 AM   #23
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Quote:
Originally posted by digiot
[B]It's not too hard.

Just start everything you add with (/b)(/quote) to close off the quote and bold font and end everything you add with (b)(quote) to reopen the bold quoting - except use brackets rather than parentheses, of course.
I had been, but I must've been putting them in the wrong spots, or mistyping or something, because it worked, then stopped for me. I figured that the were html tags and all I had to do was manipulate them properly to get the results I wanted. But when it worked initially, and then stopped, I thought maybe I'd done something wrong and just gotten lucky once!
 
Old 04-26-2003, 09:11 AM   #24
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Originally posted by mjolnir
Sadie I agree wholeheartedly that paying good money for a sys.
that won't allow the user to partition and install any way they choose is a rip-off. I'm in the same boat with my toshiba laptop.
I wonder did you use the partition magic floppies to work on your drive? I'm not trying to endorse the software but I used it with no problem. On other forums I have advised newbies such as myself to use it and I don't want to do that if I simply got lucky! Hope you get your sys straitened out soon.
Actually, it was partition magic that caused this problem. I started out with Windows XP on the system, and used Partition Magic to resize the NTFS partition and make a linux part. However, it corrupted the NTFS drive, making it impossible to boot into windows, and I lost data. And unfortunately, even though I'd run a backup, the new partition configuration makes the existing backup that I'd done absolutely obsolete. *sigh*

A friend of mine said they'd had the same problem, and when they'd called PM they told them "never, never run PM through windows! Go to a DOS prompt and run it!" I, of course, ran it under windows. For crying out loud, what else is a windows version for? Doh!!
 
Old 04-26-2003, 09:20 AM   #25
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Hi Sadie,

Do I get this right right ? Did you manage to get XP and Mandrake running ?
Only able to boot in XP ? Booting Mandrake from CD ?

First make a bootfloppy for XP ( just to be sure ) ,boot Mandrake from CD and check if windows is in your /etc/lilo.conf , then do a /sbin/lilo as root. ( first su, password, /sbin/lilo ) This will overwrite the MBR with lilo. !
If all goes well next boot you will get a boot menu where you can choose Mandrake or XP.

I will try to find your other posts ( you made quiet a few ) to see if there were more problems you reported about that I missed.

Bruno

Last edited by onurb; 04-26-2003 at 10:34 AM.
 
Old 04-26-2003, 09:26 AM   #26
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Hi Sadie:

Autoupdate does NOT do all the updates, go to the Mandrake Control Center, software management, Mandrake Update ! There will be close to 100 MB bugfixes and securety updates to download and ( auto ) install.
Note: there is a bug in making a bootdisk with darkx, the bug will be fixed with the updates I mentioned above.

Bruno

Last edited by onurb; 04-26-2003 at 10:36 AM.
 
Old 04-26-2003, 09:43 AM   #27
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The disk partitioning program in the mandrake 9 set up routine is a joy to use.
If I'd known that before I spent several hours messing with fdisk...

Never-the-less, you can't resize a WinXP Home partition with ANY software, XP Home locks the partition. If a third partry prog over rides the partition table, XP sees it as corrupt.
Only XP professional allows for partition resize.

The other thing about XP is that security updates and patches do (in 100% of my experience) screw up Linux and over write the boot loader.
I use Linux for 99% of net stuff and don't bother to patch XP.
 
Old 04-26-2003, 09:48 AM   #28
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Wow, how utterly un-userfriendly is XP? Glad I resisted the urge to get a free copy, I'll stick with 98SE and Mandrake 9.x
 
Old 04-26-2003, 10:00 AM   #29
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Quote:
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I'll stick with 98SE and Mandrake 9.x
Hi Proud, looks like we made the same choices, MDK PowerPack and W98SE ! I only added VectorLinux to the list

Bruno

( still waiting for my pre-ordered 9.1 PowerPack to come in, grrrr ! )

Last edited by onurb; 04-26-2003 at 10:01 AM.
 
Old 04-26-2003, 10:38 AM   #30
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And a great choice I think it is too
Yeah, now I can expand on my linux complexity after a great easy start with excellent Mandrake
And a version of windows I know and can exert some control over.

I tried getting my college to download Mdk9.1 isos, I reccon they've never downloaded a patch or anything there, they sucked at checksumming the thing

Definately gunna buy 9.2
 
  


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