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Old 06-09-2004, 11:39 PM   #16
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if by reformat, you mean you wipe the drive and reinstall everything, including xp...then you can use fdisk or cfdisk which should be on your redhat cd's to create the partitions on your harddrive.
 
Old 06-10-2004, 10:31 AM   #17
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if by reformat, you mean you wipe the drive and reinstall everything, including xp...then you can use fdisk or cfdisk which should be on your redhat cd's to create the partitions on your harddrive.
WindowsXP seems to be broken as far as patrioning goes...
if you install linux first, then when you install windowsXP, windows will eat your linux boot sector. preventing you from booting linux (untill you re-install grub to the MASTER BOOT RECORD or boot Sector.)

so, you need to install windows first.
and windows cannot read partiton tables made with linux.

here is how i would recomend setting up a ual boot machine.

first, wipe the disk, use cfdisk or fidsk and delete all partions on the hard disk, remember, an unpartitoned disk uses one huge partiton, delete it. then create 2 new partitons each one half the size of the disk, and save the changes to the partiton table.

boot the windowsXP install disk.
because your disk is partitoned, XP will not ask you where you want to install it to.
select the first partiton. windows will then give an error about not being able to read the partiton (because i was made in linux)
you will be sent back... delete the first partiton, and made a new partiton in its place... this prtion will be readable to windows.
select the partiton you just made to install windowsXP to.

then wait for windowsXP to install.

now re-boot and boot your linux install CD's

when it coes to selecting what partitons to use, make sure you dont touch the partiton windows is installed on.
now, split the free partiton into 2 partitons,,,, a HUGE one that linux will use, and a small one (maybe 512 meg) to be used as swap space.
make sure you set the small partiton to be formated as swap. and the huge partition is set to be formated as ext3 and mounted as " / "

some distro's use seperate boot partitons... i dont bother. you only really need them if you want to install multiple linux distro's at the same time.

anways.... finish the linux install.

when thats finished, on re-boot you should be presented with a blue screen asking you if you want to boot windows or linux..... select one, and hit return. the OS should then boot.

wow.....
that looks complicated.

it reeealy isnt as complicated as it looks...
but if you do it the way i surgest, you are leaving nothing to be auto-detected, and therefore nothing can be auto-detected wrongly.
 
Old 06-10-2004, 10:50 AM   #18
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Hi NiteWolf!!!

I did not read all the 17 replies from this thread (I've just woke up...ghehe), but I'd like to add some hints . The very best way of even start using Linux is to find a reason. Why are you exactly looking into Linux? Is Windows unsatisfying for you in any field? Stability? Security?... or are you just looking to learn Linux?. Because there're some "Live CD's" of Linux, as Knoppix which runs directly from the CD, meaning, you don't have to install or partition anything: Just put the CD on the drive and you end up with a fully Desktop with Office and 2GB worthy of software. Indeed, running Linux direct from a CD has draw backs, specially with speed, since CD/DVD roms are not as fast as a HD, plus all the programs from the CD are uncompressed on the fly.

However, if you ever want to install Knoppix on the HD, one single command and it's installed on the HD and the best is, at the end, you have a Debian system running..

After you've played a while with Knoppix and see how Linux "looks" and most important, how it treats your hardware (scanner, printer, sound card, webcams and other peripals can be hard to get working under Linux) is time to make a little research on Linux applications. A good start is this table of replacements: There you'll find your Win-programs and see it's equivalent for Linux. That table is not nearly as complete, but gives a good idea....

It's also possible to run a few Windows programs under Linux (including DirectX games) though wine(free), Crossover Office(non free) and WineX. Take a look at them and what they support....

I think that's it. Time for a coffee

Regards!

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Old 06-10-2004, 01:52 PM   #19
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Guess I'll just say, if you don't care about deleting windows then follow qwijibow's advice. You only need Partition Magic if you want to save your windows install. It is a commercial app, so you would get it wherever you buy software.
 
Old 06-10-2004, 06:23 PM   #20
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Flash MX can be run in Wine. It worked for me from the first time
 
Old 06-10-2004, 07:45 PM   #21
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Ok, I should have mentioned this because half of the advice yall gave me wont work because of it. I don't have Windows XP disk. I have three disk with all the original software that came with my comp. They are specifically so that you can restore the computer back to factory settings and software. I don't think i can just install Windows. And it erases the disk, formats it and installs everything all at once. So what I guess I would have to do is somehow split the drive and make it so that the disk only formats and installs on the half I want it to. Is this possible. Anyone know what to do?
 
Old 06-10-2004, 08:22 PM   #22
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i installed Fedora core 1 with no difficulties by using Partition Magic 8 (great software, well worth the money, or the :shifty: download times :shifty: )
I split my one huge ntfs partition into three partition: one 512 formatted as linuxswap, one 10 gig formatted as ext3 mounted as " / " and another 3 gigs mounted as "/home" .. useful for if you reinstall or use multiple distros .. i thinks .. i never used more than one distro .. then installed grub as bootloader .. its not as scary a process as i thought it would be going in, just use the recommended settings in partition magic .. and you can even simplify it in partition magic because it has a wizard ( eww wizard ..) to install a new OS double boot system .. uses boot magic .. shipped with partition magic (i dunno .. i only borrowed it so i dont remember)

Just make sure you back up any important docs incase something does bugger .. and MAKE BOOT DISKS!!!! and the partition magic restore disks .. i can't stress that enough .. i had a jiggered mbr once .. that wasnt nice .. but linux .. i like it .. lots of software available .. i just can't find anything to replace AutoCAD and Flash mx 2004, theyre the only reason i keep windows around .. and i do need both of them for school and work
so good luck .. and remember .. google is your friend when you have questions as is this WONDERFUL website ... now back to my homework ... stupid final projects....
 
Old 06-11-2004, 01:50 AM   #23
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Originally posted by NiteWolf
Ok, I should have mentioned this because half of the advice yall gave me wont work because of it. I don't have Windows XP disk. I have three disk with all the original software that came with my comp. They are specifically so that you can restore the computer back to factory settings and software. I don't think i can just install Windows. And it erases the disk, formats it and installs everything all at once. So what I guess I would have to do is somehow split the drive and make it so that the disk only formats and installs on the half I want it to. Is this possible. Anyone know what to do?
That's a new modern lame way of companies doing business. I also bought a computer not long ago, which came with Win98 "pre-installed" and no Win-CD, just a CD called "Backup disk", which erased the HD as well with a ghost image, in order to "restore" your installation.

I've asked for the Original Disk and the company said that they no longer ship new computers with the original disk, making "easier" for the end user to use the "backup disk".

I must to say, before saying what I'm going to say, that I have legally 3 licenses for Win98 and and 1 for Win3.1 and 2k., and I really am against piracy. However, you've purchased the license (the serial number actually, with that book that came with your pc), download Windows CD from edonkey/emule/xmule, burn it, and use your legal CD key. You will be able to download patches and everything(since you are using your legal CD key), and technically, you've purchased the license, not a crappy ghost image, and have the right to install/format/fry your PC or license as much as you want... I hate those companies and that's why I only build computers myself today...

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Old 06-11-2004, 01:57 AM   #24
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Is your Windows drive FAT or NTFS? If it is fat download fips.exe and boot into DOS mode and run fips, it will shrink your windows partition, I've never had a problem with it but you still may want to back up data. Now if you have NTFS partition magic will work fine, but if you want free then You should use knoppix and run qtparted (I think qtparted is included with knoppix), that will non-destructively resize NTFS. The other option (the one that I actually do) is to use SuSE 9.0 or 9.1, it will also resize NTFS partitions for you. You don't need to install SuSE, just get to the repartitioning and start to install then abort the install, then u can install whichever distro you want. Although SuSE is very nice for a beginer like you :-P

just a few notes:
--back up your data
--OpenOffice is a free Microsoft Office compatable suite included with many distros (or u can get it from the internet)
--for all the other windows programs there are either linux equivalents or you can use a program called wine, which will convert the windows commands the program asks for into the same linux command, it is not flawless, but for popular software like FLASH it has been done by many people and there are lots of how tos on it
-- your disk is actually 60GB, because you do not have the XP install CD's the manufacturer copied the data from the CD's onto a hidden partition on the hard drive, I have NEVER been able to access this partition even from linux, but it is there taking up space.
--you said you have red hat 9, that can resize FAT during the install process, try it and see
--YOU NEED TO DEFRAG THE WINDOWS PARTITION before doing any resizing or else it won't resize as much as it could, or worse...not at all. You also have to disable the virtual memory in XP to do the best defragging.

And is linux better, it really depends what you want, it sounds like u are a developer and having a stable OS that doesn't freeze every now and then maybe something you would like. Also you can set up a website in linux really easily (for free if you just use your IP address), and having a web site is always cool. :-P
 
Old 06-25-2004, 10:17 AM   #25
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There is virtually nothing to do to partitioning.
The only thing you might have is to download or buy a good distro, then install it. Normally, partitioning is one of the tasks of the installer.
I would try 'Fedora Core 2' which works well for me, and has a robust partitioning system.

I would also rate :
- Do not try dual boot with less than 15 GB.
- Do a minimal installation of linux, then install windows on the intended partition, then reinstall linux. Doing this will avoid risks of having your disk partitioned by windows.


For your files, do not worry :
Yes, some of them will be lost. You won't be able to use closed soft anymore under linux (3DS, Macromedia)
But you can still read the other files (word, excel...) with OpenOffice, and do great quality picturing with the Gimp.
 
Old 06-25-2004, 10:31 AM   #26
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You don't need to delete your Windows Partition, I believe. Using Partition Magic, you can just cut the size of the partition down and create a new partition with the free space. This way, you'll be able to dual boot your operating systems. Linux is good for stability, memory handling, security, and so much more, but Windows, because it's commercial, has the best support for drivers and program compatibility. That's why I use both.
 
Old 06-25-2004, 10:36 AM   #27
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Frontpage, Word, Exel, Photoshop, Flash MX, Dreamweaver, 3DS, Bryce, Adobe Premiere, WinDVD, MLCAD (LEGO CAD)
Word and Excel- you have Open Office, Star Office.
Photoshop -GIMP, not as good to me but some prefer it. I'll take Photoshop over it anyday, still it is a great app.
3DS- someone had mentioned a Linux installer for this in a post.
Bryce- nope, nothing even close.
Premiere- not really, there are a few that may remind you of Premiere (5 versions ago that is)
MLCAD- not sure.
Dreamweaver- hear others talk about this. Nothing really close but I could be wrong.

My advice would be dual boot. I use some of these apps myself, Bryce, 3DS, Photoshop, Premiere, Illustrator, Poser..etc. For those I use Windows. For Word it varies, I have MS Office XP at work and Open Office has issues with it's formatting, everything gets thrown off. I don't use Office apps much at all but the few files I do have (resume for example) gets fubar'd by OOo.

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Old 06-25-2004, 11:15 AM   #28
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Just thought I would chime in here even though I am a relative Newbie.

I just installed FC2 on my laptop with a 60 gig hd. It already had Windows XP plus a bunch of software I use for work, so I have to dual boot if I want to use Linux.

Here is what I did.

Windows was taking up the whole partition, so using Partition Magic 8, I created a 10 gig fat32 partition after the windows partition. THat wat, I can share files between Windows and Linux.

This left me with about 20 gigs which I left as unpartitioned space. Then I started the FC2 install. I then chose to install FC2 in the unpartitioned space on my drive. I then chose automatic partioning when it asked, but I tweaked it a bit. I put root on one partition (can't remember exactly how bid and /home on a separate partition. There was also a swap partition that was created by the automatic partitioning which I didn't touch.

This seemed to work really well; I had no problems with the installation or with dual booting.

Geoff
 
Old 06-25-2004, 11:20 AM   #29
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You don't need to delete your Windows Partition, I believe. Using Partition Magic, you can just cut the size of the partition down and create a new partition with the free space. This way, you'll be able to dual boot your operating systems. Linux is good for stability, memory handling, security, and so much more, but Windows, because it's commercial, has the best support for drivers and program compatibility. That's why I use both.
providing that you dont have any bad sectors in your drive then you can use partition magic. otherwise it fails. in that case since you have a BACKUP of your files you need to reinstall your default setup (i guess its a rescue cd from your vendor laptop) and then use partition magic. btw let me guess, your laptop is a toshiba one?

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I must to say, before saying what I'm going to say, that I have legally 3 licenses for Win98 and and 1 for Win3.1 and 2k., and I really am against piracy. However, you've purchased the license (the serial number actually, with that book that came with your pc), download Windows CD from edonkey/emule/xmule, burn it, and use your legal CD key. You will be able to download patches and everything(since you are using your legal CD key), and technically, you've purchased the license, not a crappy ghost image, and have the right to install/format/fry your PC or license as much as you want... I hate those companies and that's why I only build computers myself today...
thats another alternative you can try providing that you do have some hours to spend on installing windows and then your software. i think it would be a good idea to make the partitions before you install your software.

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Word and Excel- you have Open Office, Star Office.
Photoshop -GIMP, not as good to me but some prefer it. I'll take Photoshop over it anyday, still it is a great app.

My advice would be dual boot. I use some of these apps myself, Bryce, 3DS, Photoshop, Premiere, Illustrator, Poser..etc. For those I use Windows. For Word it varies, I have MS Office XP at work and Open Office has issues with it's formatting, everything gets thrown off. I don't use Office apps much at all but the few files I do have (resume for example) gets fubar'd by OOo.
i dont knwo if gimp is better or worse than photoshop, but i think it has a rich variety of features. about openoffice so far i didnt have any problems between the compatibility with ms office. in fact ms office (everyone else here use it) gives me a tough time as as it does not support the oo files. on the other hand in oo u can open ms office docs and you can also save in a ms office format as well. ehm openoffice is free. i dont think thats the case with star office.
 
Old 06-25-2004, 11:32 AM   #30
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oh i stared at the tree and forgot to look at the forest around. to answer your question about if there are equivalent programs about what you are asking. i dont really know, but i have to agree with some people... on why you want to use linux?

coming back to your software question you may find some useful information on the following thread:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...tware+imported

and about deciding why you want to use linux the following thread may be of use:
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...tware+imported
http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...threadid=54388
 
  


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