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Old 12-24-2017, 07:05 PM   #1
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Linux puppy 431


have a Panasonic CF-M34 Toughbook.
Trying to get wireless internet connect with Netgear range max WN511B .
Looking for a driver?
 
Old 12-24-2017, 07:28 PM   #2
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welcome to linux questions.
read these links
https://www.wikihow.com/Set-up-a-Wir...in-Puppy-Linux

https://www.linuxquestions.org/linux...Ask_a_Question
 
Old 12-25-2017, 03:51 PM   #3
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Typical question running a old laptop with a modern 2017 wifi usb gear.

Puppy 431 kernel won't have the wireless module for something out of 2017.

If wanting something maintained. I might suggest

https://412collection.neocities.org/index.html

which is still updated for today’s modern appliances but is based on a older Puppy Version.

But lets see, about your original question

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtop...4ad0ac9cc64907

Looks like a tuffy. That is the only web hit on your wifi usb on Puppy Linux. Soooo, if me. I'd cut my losses, and get a older wireless g hardware like a pcmcia card that is puppy supported. I know older gear like Panasonic < I own a CF-48 > I know they have a pcmcia slot. I run wirless g on mine.

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/WiFi

I always get a grin when someone tries to run a 2.x or 3.x operating system kernel, and buy a 2017 piece of usb wifi hardware. plug it in, and wonder where the driver and firmware are for that old of a system.

Now back to munching on my Brochutto wrapped Asparagus sticks.

Merry Xmass.
 
Old 12-25-2017, 05:12 PM   #4
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Typical question running a old laptop with a modern 2017 wifi usb gear.

Puppy 431 kernel won't have the wireless module for something out of 2017.

If wanting something maintained. I might suggest

https://412collection.neocities.org/index.html

which is still updated for today’s modern appliances but is based on a older Puppy Version.

But lets see, about your original question

http://murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtop...4ad0ac9cc64907

Looks like a tuffy. That is the only web hit on your wifi usb on Puppy Linux. Soooo, if me. I'd cut my losses, and get a older wireless g hardware like a pcmcia card that is puppy supported. I know older gear like Panasonic < I own a CF-48 > I know they have a pcmcia slot. I run wirless g on mine.

http://puppylinux.org/wikka/WiFi

I always get a grin when someone tries to run a 2.x or 3.x operating system kernel, and buy a 2017 piece of usb wifi hardware. plug it in, and wonder where the driver and firmware are for that old of a system.

Now back to munching on my Brochutto wrapped Asparagus sticks.

Merry Xmass.
That Panasonic he is talking about is 10 years old
 
Old 12-25-2017, 07:53 PM   #5
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Linux puppy 431 wireless network access

Thanks for the links. Trying to use Ndiswrapper to use the netgear inf file on my Panasonic Toughbook CF-M34 Windows XP pro. Linux sees the file just not happy with the driver.Does not see a wireless interface at all.
 
Old 12-25-2017, 08:56 PM   #6
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I have to agree with Roky here.

That is one hellaciously old lappie! Tough as nails, of course.....but you're rather stuffed with that 256 MB of RAM.

Whichever Pup you go with (and the 4-series are probably your best bet, especially running a P-III), your best bet is going to be a 'full' install, rather than a 'frugal'. Frugals always run fully in RAM.....and you have precious little of the stuff to play with. I don't think you can add any more.....and even if you could, it'd be something like the older SDRAM. Rarer than hen's teeth to find (and pricey, too).

The kernel on a 4-series Pup just isn't going to have the necessary drivers for a newer adapter like that. Well now; let's have a looky-see...

Mm-hm. Mm...mm...

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Netgear_WN511B

Ugh. Broadcom chipset. Chuffing well would be, wouldn't it?

Broadcom are well known for being a complete PITA to get going in Linux. Actually, in any other Linux distro apart from Pup, the b43 'cutter' driver is widely available.....but you're not going to get owt else running on that ol' Toughbook, I'm afraid. Just hasn't got the 'grunt' to do so.

(For any driver, it not only has to be the correct one, it also has to be specifically compiled for the particular kernel in use...)

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Personally, I'd recommend the WPN-511. I use one on an elderly, 15-yr old Dell with a PCMCIA slot. Works a treat, too, 'cos the ath5k driver has been supported in the kernel for around a decade now.

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Netgear_WPN511_v1

Ultimately, it all 'boils down' to the chipset in use. That's what determines the driver required to get your wireless up-and-running....

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Y'know, the thing with running older hardware is that you're often better off shopping around for 'sympathetic', 'period' add-in hardware that would have been on the market at the time the device in question was being sold. And 431 would have been in the throes of development at that time, y'see.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&condition=all

The top entry on this page is more indicative of the sort of price you should be paying for something like this.....certainly no more. Some vendors, unfortunately, will attempt to rip-off the unwary. No way should you pay $40+ for one of these.

I think I paid around GBP 7.00 for mine, about 2 years ago. They're getting a wee bit pricier these days (12-15).....and a max of 'only' 54MBps; but, in all fairness, that's more than adequate for your hardware, running summat like 431......considering what you'll be capable of doing on there. (And that ain't going to be including watching NetFlix, or Amazon Prime. Trust me on this..!)

Your decision, of course.


Mike.

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Old 12-25-2017, 09:20 PM   #7
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I have to agree with Roky here.

That is one hellaciously old lappie! Tough as nails, of course.....but you're rather stuffed with that 256 MB of RAM.

Whichever Pup you go with (and the 4-series are probably your best bet, especially running a P-III), your best bet is going to be a 'full' install, rather than a 'frugal'. Frugals always run fully in RAM.....and you have precious little of the stuff to play with. I don't think you can add any more.....and even if you could, it'd be something like the older SDRAM. Rarer than hen's teeth to find (and pricey, too).

The kernel on a 4-series Pup just isn't going to have the necessary drivers for a newer adapter like that. Well now; let's have a looky-see...

Mm-hm. Mm...mm...

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Netgear_WN511B

Ugh. Broadcom chipset. Chuffing well would be, wouldn't it?

Broadcom are well known for being a complete PITA to get going in Linux. Actually, in any other Linux distro apart from Pup, the b43 driver is widely available.....but you're not going to get owt else running on that ol' Toughbook, I'm afraid. Just hasn't got the 'grunt' to do so.

Personally, I'd recommend the WPN-511. I use one on an elderly, 15-yr old Dell with a PCMCIA slot. Works a treat, too, 'cos the ath5k driver has been supported in the kernel for around a decade now.

https://wikidevi.com/wiki/Netgear_WPN511_v1

Ultimately, it all comes down to the chipset in use.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Y'know, the thing with running older hardware is that you're often better off shopping around for 'sympathetic', 'period' add-in hardware that would have been on the market at the time the device in question was being sold. And 431 would have been in the throes of development at that time, y'see.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-list...&condition=all

The top entry on this page is more indicative of the sort of price you should be paying for something like this.....certainly no more. Some vendors, unfortunately, will attempt to rip-off the unwary. No way should you pay $40+ for one of these.

I think I paid around GBP 7.00 for mine, about 2 years ago. They're getting a wee bit pricier these days (12-15).....and a max of 'only' 54MBps; but, in all fairness, that's more than adequate for your hardware, running summat like 431......considering what you'll be capable of doing on there. (And that ain't going to be including watching NetFlix, or Amazon Prime. Trust me on this..!)

Your decision, of course.


Mike.
Puppy 431 came out in 2009 last I looked we are 2017 and 431 would be an ok fit for that 10 year old laptop. http://distro.ibiblio.org/puppylinux/puppy-4.3.1/
 
Old 12-26-2017, 04:35 AM   #8
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AntiX 17 should fire up that usb of yours. I know wl broadcom module support is part of the distro. Because on my rigs. I see it being un-installed after doing a dist-upgrade on my non-broadcom wireless gear. I run that on my CF-48 OK. I bumped the ram on the CF-48 with a 1 gig stick. The 256MB stick is soldered to the mother board. It should not hurt to give it a live usb run.

I use a PLOP Floppy disc I made to boot pendrives on my Panasonic usb 1.1 ports. You could use a cd disk instead I guess if the cdrom drive still works. Making the cd just look down a little on the page I linked to, above.


AntiX 17
runs a 4.10 kernel and also is based on Debian Stretch.

I'd go with the i386 Full iso . Not the Base or Core isos <which is for experts like me>. Make sure and check md5sum of iso using Puppy terminal if using a land line to download the iso on that laptop.

Same practice is I check md5sum of iso for PLOP images also. Keeps me from having headaches when something does not work. Onbe less thing to worry about when problem solving. I md5sum check Puppy Isos also. Just good practice.

As usual. Mike Walsh. Our Puppy Linux expert. Who knows his Puppy Linux stuff. Is on the ball.

Hence why I am suggesting trying another live run of another distro. Which I am a team member of. So I am biased in my reply.

Good luck with what ever you do with this rig. I use " Poor Mans Radio " which comes in AntiX along with "SMTube Youtube Player" in a default full iso install. We specialize in older kits.

I also un-install Firefox-ESR that comes in a default AntiX 17 install and install Seamonkey browser. It is kinder on cpu usage on older kits, by just a little. You can install it pre-packaged by the MX linux software builders in the Menu>Control Centre >System > Package Installer button inside the control center window. Then make it the default browser using the Menu >

Meh, It is just easier to do this instead.


This long winded post just made because of the wl driver needed out of the box on a install.
I have seen weird wireless names in ifconfig -a on a live pen drive run. wlan0 did not show up till after installation and a reboot. Wicd seem to handle this OK, though. With a little help from me. Use the F keys on a live run also. To see the options you have on boot. There are bunch of em.

PS. Online. It took me a while to find out a 1 gig stick of ram with a certain 200 pin spec would be seen and used on bios on my CF-48.

So don't just settle on one link when searching for upgrading your old Panasonic. So far as a hobby and used on distro testing . I have replaced the Power socket on the mother board. The LCD cable from inverter to back socket on lcd screen.
Replaced CDRW drive. Bought a universal Power brick adapter for 115v plug to back of laptop.

I have more money invested in that old rig than it is worth. But it is a tester rig for guys like you.
 
Old 12-26-2017, 06:57 AM   #9
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As usual. Mike Walsh. Our Puppy Linux expert. Who knows his Puppy Linux stuff. Is on the ball.
Huh. I'd hardly describe myself as an 'expert', Roky. More like an enthusiastic 'bumbler'.....who frequently surprises himself when he actually manages to get stuff working!

I'm sure you remember my early days on Murga, a few years ago. I was like any other newbie; as green as grass, and very unsure of myself. Difference with me being, that I do learn from my mistakes, and have the enthusiasm to keep on learning.

I guess I'm like anybody else, mate; I ride the learning curve, and, a few years down the line, am now in the position where I can give sensible, well-considered advice myself. It's nice to be able to give the community some 'pay-back' in my own turn.

I just hope the daft suggestions I frequently make actually do some good. I'm very much a 'lateral' thinker..!


Mike.

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Old 12-26-2017, 09:40 AM   #10
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Thanks for the links. Trying to use Ndiswrapper to use the netgear inf file on my Panasonic Toughbook CF-M34 Windows XP pro. Linux sees the file just not happy with the driver.Does not see a wireless interface at all.
My thinking on this.
Make sure the inf. file comes from the 32 bit folder.
If XP inf. fails. Try Vista .inf then.
Make extra sure you grabbed the right Windows driver for that usb.

Lastly. That version of ndiswrapper is older than that .inf file you are trying to use.
Maybe one won't play well with the other. Shrugs shoulders cuz I don't really know.

@Mike Walsh. Yeah. I remember. At one time I was a MacPup team member and building and supporting pianobar for Puppy users. Till I got tired of how pianobar kept breaking linux comaptibility every few weeks. Then I moved on and told everyone to use .pls files in either mocp , xmms, audacious, whatever.

I am no rocket scientist myself as you well know. But you keep your hand into Puppy every day. Where I do not anymore. Hence the kudos to you, from me.
 
Old 12-26-2017, 10:11 AM   #11
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Eh, muchas gracias, mi amigo..!

Mike.
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