Why does it seem everytime I have a freeze and have to reboot linux due to some bug in linux or Linux programs, the machine during next login seems slugish and lazy? Does Linux not fix itself well like Windows.. Is there any way to check if there's some malicious error from a bug running in the machine.

Right now Mozilla Firefox stats in Process Table is VMSIZE: 105,408
and right below that is Kded at VMSIZE: 74,540... Then X is taking up 40,000... These seem right?

And also for some reason I'm getting 9.640 fps in glxgears now opposed to 3000 FPS from a few boots ago... Have the new nvidia drivers.

Any ideas?

Thanks ALOT!

Not enough information to give you anything. Those are reasonable values for memory usage. Developers aren't as memory conscious as they once were. It doesn't make sense to dump resources into that anymore.

You obviously have something wrong, but the chance that it's due to something malicious is small. Windows doesn't fix itself either. It requires a great deal of effort to maintain a Windows system. For the most part it's busy work that wastes your time but you have to do it. Examples are full reinstallation, running a virus scanner (which either slows your system down sometimes or all the time depending on how it's configured), defragging the file system, reinstalling drivers, killing processes with ctrl-alt-delete, etc. And these are all things I haven't had to do in YEARS.

My questions to you are:
- What distribution are you running?
- What kernel version are you running?
- Whats the output of dmesg?
- Are those nvidia patches compatible with your stuff?
- When did it change? What were you doing when it changed?

I hope you know I mean to condescension with my Windows comments. I'm always so bothered when other people are having these sorts of problems in Linux because this has not been my experience.

Running the incorrect display drivers can cause your system to feel slower than it actually is. This is just because the GUI isn't getting any backup from your video card and it lagging behind the CPU which is trying to manage everything by itself.

The output of those commands should shine some light on the nvidia issue

Hey, the glxinfo | grep direct command showed Direct Rendering: Yes

however, the ls -l /usr/lib | grep GL displayed Nothing at all.

What does this mean? How do I make sure I get the right drivers and install correct?

Well When I Run lsmod under agpgart it says intel_agp, nvidia... I have a onboard video graphics card. Could this be my problem? In bios the only option is Onboard graphcis :On or Auto I have it on Auto.... How do I remove this and get ls -l /usr/lib | grep GL to show me some info!?!?

Err, that's probably not the answer I was expecting :/ How about this one to find where libGL is hiding. If this returns nothing then a reinstall of the Nvidia driver is required and maybe some Xorg stuff too.

Hey buddy, I did the search in it came up this:

/usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so

But in my Xorg.conf under "Module"
it shows this

Section "Module"
Load "dbe" # Double-Buffering Extension
Load "v4l" # Video for Linux
Load "extmod"
Load "type1"
Load "freetype"
Load "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/nvidia/libglx.so"
EndSection

What do I do? And how do I disable my onboard intel graphics ? Thanks alot CS your the ishnit

Okay, now can you post 'ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib'?

I'll let you know what I'm looking for so you can look for yourself if you like. Nvidia ships with it's own versions of libGL, rather than just jump in and take over, they name them as libGL.so.1.0.8762 and then symlink libGL.so to their version. Basically you need to check that your libGL.so is pointing to the right file. If it's not then just reinstalling the nvidia drivers should fix it.

Heres the output of ls -l /usr/X11R6/lib:



lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 24 13:58 libaudio.so -> libaudio.so.2.3*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 24 13:57 libaudio.so.2 -> libaudio.so.2.3*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 90376 Jun 9 2005 libaudio.so.2.3*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13886 May 4 21:15 libfntstubs.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libfontenc.so -> libfontenc.so.1.0
*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libfontenc.so.1 -> libfontenc.so.1
.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22040 May 4 21:17 libfontenc.so.1.0*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 69486 May 4 21:15 libFS.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libFS.so -> libFS.so.6.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libFS.so.6 -> libFS.so.6.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 44968 May 4 21:17 libFS.so.6.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 837 Aug 16 2005 libGL.la*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libGL.so -> libGL.so.1.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libGL.so.1 -> libGL.so.1.2*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 398864 May 4 21:17 libGL.so.1.2*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 868 Aug 16 2005 libGLU.la*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 24 14:00 libGLU.so -> libGLU.so.1.3.502*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 24 13:57 libGLU.so.1 -> libGLU.so.1.3.502*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 574024 Aug 16 2005 libGLU.so.1.3.502*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 27954 May 4 21:15 libGLw.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libGLw.so -> libGLw.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libGLw.so.1 -> libGLw.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22332 May 4 21:17 libGLw.so.1.0*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 68320 May 4 21:15 libI810XvMC.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 May 27 15:49 libI810XvMC.so -> libI810XvMC.so.1
.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 May 27 15:49 libI810XvMC.so.1 -> libI810XvMC.so
.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 64160 May 4 21:17 libI810XvMC.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libICE.so -> libICE.so.6.4*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libICE.so.6 -> libICE.so.6.4*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 88744 May 4 21:17 libICE.so.6.4*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 24 14:00 libMrm.so.2 -> libMrm.so.2.0.1*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 69504 Mar 14 2005 libMrm.so.2.0.1*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9708 May 4 21:15 liboldX.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 27 15:49 libOSMesa.so -> libOSMesa.so.4.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 27 15:49 libOSMesa.so.4 -> libOSMesa.so.4.0
*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1938424 May 4 21:17 libOSMesa.so.4.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libSM.so -> libSM.so.6.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libSM.so.6 -> libSM.so.6.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 32192 May 4 21:17 libSM.so.6.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 24 14:00 libUil.so.2 -> libUil.so.2.0.1*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 76132 Mar 14 2005 libUil.so.2.0.1*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 May 27 15:49 libviaXvMCPro.so -> libviaXvMCPro.
so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 May 27 15:49 libviaXvMCPro.so.1 -> libviaXvMCPr
o.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 65136 May 4 21:17 libviaXvMCPro.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libviaXvMC.so -> libviaXvMC.so.1.0
*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libviaXvMC.so.1 -> libviaXvMC.so.1
.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 63440 May 4 21:17 libviaXvMC.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libX11.so -> libX11.so.6.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libX11.so.6 -> libX11.so.6.2*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 830664 May 4 21:17 libX11.so.6.2*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14464 May 4 21:15 libXau.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXau.so -> libXau.so.6.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXau.so.6 -> libXau.so.6.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7480 May 4 21:17 libXau.so.6.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 24 13:58 libXaw3d.so.7 -> libXaw3d.so.7.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 294700 Jan 13 2005 libXaw3d.so.7.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXaw.so -> libXaw.so.8.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXaw.so.6 -> libXaw.so.6.1*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 261552 May 4 21:17 libXaw.so.6.1*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXaw.so.7 -> libXaw.so.7.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 371760 May 4 21:17 libXaw.so.7.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXaw.so.8 -> libXaw.so.8.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 379920 May 4 21:17 libXaw.so.8.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 May 27 15:49 libXcomposite.so -> libXcomposite.
so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 May 27 15:49 libXcomposite.so.1 -> libXcomposit
e.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6188 May 4 21:17 libXcomposite.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 27 15:49 libXcursor.so -> libXcursor.so.1.0
.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 27 15:49 libXcursor.so.1 -> libXcursor.so.1
.0.2*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 33748 May 4 21:17 libXcursor.so.1.0.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libXdamage.so -> libXdamage.so.1.0
*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libXdamage.so.1 -> libXdamage.so.1
.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6120 May 4 21:17 libXdamage.so.1.0*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 47436 May 4 21:15 libXdmcp.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXdmcp.so -> libXdmcp.so.6.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXdmcp.so.6 -> libXdmcp.so.6.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16896 May 4 21:17 libXdmcp.so.6.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXevie.so -> libXevie.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXevie.so.1 -> libXevie.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 4912 May 4 21:17 libXevie.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 27 15:49 libXext.so -> libXext.so.6.4*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 27 15:49 libXext.so.6 -> libXext.so.6.4*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 55892 May 4 21:17 libXext.so.6.4*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 27 15:49 libXfixes.so -> libXfixes.so.3.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 27 15:49 libXfixes.so.3 -> libXfixes.so.3.0
*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14296 May 4 21:17 libXfixes.so.3.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXfont.so -> libXfont.so.1.5*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXfont.so.1 -> libXfont.so.1.5*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 445784 May 4 21:17 libXfont.so.1.5*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXft.so -> libXft.so.2.1.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXft.so.1 -> libXft.so.1.1*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 52852 May 4 21:17 libXft.so.1.1*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXft.so.2 -> libXft.so.2.1.2*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 73272 May 4 21:17 libXft.so.2.1.2*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4710 May 4 21:15 libXinerama.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 May 27 15:49 libXinerama.so -> libXinerama.so.1
.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 18 May 27 15:49 libXinerama.so.1 -> libXinerama.so
.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6512 May 4 21:17 libXinerama.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libXi.so -> libXi.so.6.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libXi.so.6 -> libXi.so.6.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27564 May 4 21:17 libXi.so.6.0*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 164336 May 4 21:15 libxkbfile.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libxkbfile.so -> libxkbfile.so.1.0
*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libxkbfile.so.1 -> libxkbfile.so.1
.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 138280 May 4 21:17 libxkbfile.so.1.0*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8300 May 4 21:15 libxkbui.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libxkbui.so -> libxkbui.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libxkbui.so.1 -> libxkbui.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10408 May 4 21:17 libxkbui.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 24 14:00 libXm.so.2 -> libXm.so.2.0.1*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1530036 Mar 14 2005 libXm.so.2.0.1*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXmu.so -> libXmu.so.6.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXmu.so.6 -> libXmu.so.6.2*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 89508 May 4 21:17 libXmu.so.6.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 27 15:49 libXmuu.so -> libXmuu.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 27 15:49 libXmuu.so.1 -> libXmuu.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10556 May 4 21:17 libXmuu.so.1.0*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 113160 Aug 1 2005 libXpm.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 24 13:57 libXpm.so -> libXpm.so.4.11*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 24 13:56 libXpm.so.4 -> libXpm.so.4.11*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 85440 Aug 1 2005 libXpm.so.4.11*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libXp.so -> libXp.so.6.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libXp.so.6 -> libXp.so.6.2*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 26808 May 4 21:17 libXp.so.6.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 27 15:49 libXrandr.so -> libXrandr.so.2.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 27 15:49 libXrandr.so.2 -> libXrandr.so.2.0
*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 10012 May 4 21:17 libXrandr.so.2.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 27 15:49 libXrender.so -> libXrender.so.1.2
.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 27 15:49 libXrender.so.1 -> libXrender.so.1
.2.2*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 30932 May 4 21:17 libXrender.so.1.2.2*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 27 15:49 libXRes.so -> libXRes.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 27 15:49 libXRes.so.1 -> libXRes.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5616 May 4 21:17 libXRes.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libxrxnest.so -> libxrxnest.so.6.8
*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libxrxnest.so.6 -> libxrxnest.so.6
.8*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 28132 May 4 21:17 libxrxnest.so.6.8*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libxrx.so -> libxrx.so.6.8*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libxrx.so.6 -> libxrx.so.6.8*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 43312 May 4 21:17 libxrx.so.6.8*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6232 May 4 21:15 libXss.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXss.so -> libXss.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 May 27 15:49 libXss.so.1 -> libXss.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 7600 May 4 21:17 libXss.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXTrap.so -> libXTrap.so.6.4*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXTrap.so.6 -> libXTrap.so.6.4*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 31332 May 4 21:17 libXTrap.so.6.4*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libXt.so -> libXt.so.6.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libXt.so.6 -> libXt.so.6.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 325676 May 4 21:17 libXt.so.6.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 27 15:49 libXtst.so -> libXtst.so.6.1*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 27 15:49 libXtst.so.6 -> libXtst.so.6.1*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 18068 May 4 21:17 libXtst.so.6.1*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 12690 May 4 21:15 libXv.a
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 8082 May 4 21:15 libXvMC.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 May 24 18:38 libXvMCNVIDIA_dynamic.so.1 -> libX
vMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.8756*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 169764 Apr 13 11:01 libXvMCNVIDIA.so.1.0.8756*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 27 15:49 libXvMC.so -> libXvMC.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 May 27 15:49 libXvMC.so.1 -> libXvMC.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9916 May 4 21:17 libXvMC.so.1.0*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15212 May 4 21:15 libXvMCW.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXvMCW.so -> libXvMCW.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 27 15:49 libXvMCW.so.1 -> libXvMCW.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14324 May 4 21:17 libXvMCW.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libXv.so -> libXv.so.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 May 27 15:49 libXv.so.1 -> libXv.so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14236 May 4 21:17 libXv.so.1.0*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 20470 May 4 21:15 libXxf86dga.a
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7256 May 4 21:15 libXxf86misc.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 27 15:49 libXxf86misc.so -> libXxf86misc.so
.1.1*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 27 15:49 libXxf86misc.so.1 -> libXxf86misc.
so.1.1*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9104 May 4 21:17 libXxf86misc.so.1.1*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5166 May 4 21:15 libXxf86rush.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 27 15:49 libXxf86rush.so -> libXxf86rush.so
.1.0*
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 19 May 27 15:49 libXxf86rush.so.1 -> libXxf86rush.
so.1.0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 6864 May 4 21:17 libXxf86rush.so.1.0*
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15442 May 4 21:15 libXxf86vm.a
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libXxf86vm.so -> libXxf86vm.so.1.0 *
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 May 27 15:49 libXxf86vm.so.1 -> libXxf86vm.so.1 .0*
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 16464 May 4 21:17 libXxf86vm.so.1.0*
drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 4096 May 27 15:53 modules/
drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 May 27 15:51 X11/
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 May 24 14:01 xscreensaver/


Is this what you needeD?

Also fyi, /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/nvidia folder contains libglx.so.1.0.8756 and libglx.so linked to the other file... Why am I getting the info from /usr/X11R6/lib when the Xorg.conf says its reading the files from /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/nvidia.. Is everything looking ok for my setuP?

Thanks Alot for all your great help CS

Everything is looking wrong for your setup but at least we know the problem libGL looks like it's pointing to the MesaGL library (and an old version at that!) which is a software renderer. Software == slow. Easily fixed though, you just need to reinstall the Nvidia driver, you may need to run ldconfig afterwards as root. Run the Nvidia installer like this to make sure it puts your libs in the right place:

Impressive, THanks CS_Cam, you are DA man.

cs-cam, I've enjoyed reading your feedback. Great work! I had a couple of questions though.

I dumped nvidia a couple of years ago when a couple of different cards I had started to go bad on me. Never had that with other graphics cards even though they were inferior in performance. I'm mostly a coder so I've never pushed my cards to more than playing an occasional dvd movie. Have you had any similar problems with nvidia literally burning out?

I also became irritated with using their proprietary drivers. Everytime I did an X upgrade, I would have to deal the usual reinstall of nvidia. I finally started to use the "nv" open source driver just because it was simpler and required no extra configuration. What are the advantages/differences in running the proprietary drivers verses the open source? I may return to nvidia someday simply because I'm so greatful that a company produces drivers for Linux.

Any thoughts on some of this are much appreciated.

I have 9 tabs open in firefox now and it's only using 68MB. SO something was definitely wrong with your setup. Hope you can get it fixed.

Hmm, thats wierd I let mandriva 2006 install firefox for me when I installed it. I wonder what is wrong?

I think Ubuntu's version of Firefox is slightly optimized so that's better compatible with the system.
Her is a simple tutorial to optimize firefox to use less memory:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-.../1327586/posts