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Old 11-27-2003, 11:18 AM   #16
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If your looking for some treeware I thoroughly recommend Oreilly's Running Linux.
Lot's of non-distro specific information on most major aspects of a linux system.
Old 11-27-2003, 01:15 PM   #17
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This wud give u a hang of the console commands. Best is to visit

Very informative
Old 08-31-2005, 02:55 PM   #18
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Linux Woes!!!! Ain't this a "Linux!!!"

No need to reply to this. I'm just plain please bear with me! GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

WHY is Linux so ******* hard to install? Man!!! I've burned several sets of CDs, researched uncounted FAQ web sites on ISOs and I still can't get pass the first screen on my Mandriva installation. I haven't done this much reading since college. I have NEVER been this frustrated with Windows. Not with 95, not with 98, not with NT4 client/server, not with 2000, not with XP and not with 2003. It's like I have to be a programmer to get this thing working! Dammit Jim, I'm a (PC) doctor....not an engineer!

Linux users want to slam "Uncle Bill" for Windows, but one's things for sure: Windows is easier to load and use than Linux. And I can start the OS installation with one file (Winnt.exe in XP). Where's the Linux OS equivalent???

If Linux was a 21-speed bike, I might have to restrict myself to WinXP with training wheels.

Lawd....give me the strength to NOT put my fist through my flatscreen monitor!


Now that I've vented, let me get back to my Mandriva installation. LOL.
Old 08-31-2005, 07:13 PM   #19
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FYI, I was not impressed with Crossover.

I had better success (more programs ran) with win4lin. However, win4lin is not free.

I also kept my Windows partition.

Old 08-31-2005, 07:35 PM   #20
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What's with the gravediggin???

ShadowTech: I don't know what the first mandriva screen is or why you wouldn't be able to get past it but if you want to be sure of your ISO's then you need to use md5sums. Not sure of the best way to check a burnt disk under billware. I guess you could check the d'loaded ISO against it's published md5 and then use burning software that was capable of verifying aginst an image.
Old 08-31-2005, 08:29 PM   #21
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Sometimes, if you burn your image at a slower speed, it works better. Sometimes the high-speed burners mess up the data and you get some artafacts that screw with important things like installiation files.

For the most part, Linux IS much more difficult to first. Then once you teach yourself what you are doing (really, you're learning a new OS, when was the last time you switched to a new OS... most of us were using Windows for as long as we can remember.... I was at the back-end of DOS when I started computing...), you will do fine. I find the 21 speed bike a lot easier, and better, and faster, to use once I figured out how to balance.

Someone recommended an O'Riley book, use them. They are great "straight-up" (as my students would say) no frills look into the inner workings of Linux (I learned HTML from their HTML/DHTML/CSS book).

The biggest thing I can recommend doing, don't buy your way out (key there, figure it out). Try to do it yourself, and ask questions when you need it. I would recommend keeping windows for a bit, it's really easy to set up a dual-boot, untill you feel really comfortable with Linux. I used it for about 6 months before I decided to go full Linux, and still felt nervous (I've never looked back, btw... I use windows on my work computer, and get frustrated with it!).

I, unlike most other people here don't loate windows. Sure, Microsoft <i>is</i> an evil empire. But, they're big business. That's how it goes, they want to make money, so they do.

I like the Open-Source ideology. Community is key here. Hell, I run a distro (arch) that is partly...well, mostly... maintained by it's users.

Which leads me to my next point. You wanted to know if you should keep red hat. Who knows. Use it, find out. Linux distros are like taste in wine. It's personal. I love the do-it-yourself-keep-it-simple style of Arch. But, I did use Mandrake for quite awhile. As someone earlier said, once you get used to it, and learn a lot, you can run any distro effictivly. Really, package management is what makes or breaks a distro for me. RPM is great, DEB is great, but so is the Pacman (it's pkg.tgz) that comes with Arch, Ports (and Portage) are awesome.

It's all if you wanna compile it yourself, run off the Debian repositories, or use the RPM. A lot of people worry about dependency hell, but with a lot of the modern package management systems out and about, there really isn't much a problem with that anymore (unless you compile something yourself in a distro that isn't well suited for that.. so anything other than Arch, Gentoo, LFS, and the other source based beasts ).

Ok, I'll stop rambeling.

Welcome to the community. Google is your friend, and so is everyone here, even though we may flame eachother every once and awhile, the greatest and closest family argues sometimes.
Old 08-31-2005, 08:38 PM   #22
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Re: Linux Woes!!!! Ain't this a "Linux!!!"

Originally posted by ShadowTech
Linux users want to slam "Uncle Bill" for Windows, but one's things for sure: Windows is easier to load and use than Linux.
Based on your years of experience with Linux, of course. Right. I've installed Windows from scratch two times, and it's sucked both times, consuming hours and hours of my time. All of my Linux installs have taken no more than forty minutes each. I'm not a programmer, either. Stop foisting your personal experiences on everyone.

If you have a problem, you'll find many people will be more than willing to help you. If you want to just complain about how much "easier" Windows is than Linux, believe me, it's been done before, and it's really not productive (doesn't make Linux any better than it already is, and it just makes people angry).

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Old 08-31-2005, 09:04 PM   #23
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If windows is easier for you, use it. Personally I don't bash windows because for some people that is what they want. Good or bad, it's about choice. If someone wants to use windows then let them. Don't bash them. But at the same time, Linux isn't windows, and I for one don't want it to be anything like windows. I don't mind installing apps from source. Dependencies aren't an issue, just research.
If you are looking for a windows-ish distro, then use windows. If you want to use linux, don't complain b/c it does things diff than what you are use to.
Old 09-01-2005, 02:34 AM   #24
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Re: Linux Woes!!!! Ain't this a "Linux!!!"

Originally posted by ShadowTech
and I still can't get pass the first screen on my Mandriva installation.

Now that I've vented, let me get back to my Mandriva installation. LOL.
Do you get an error message? When I first tried Mandrake I also could not get past the first screen and if memory serves me correctly (over 3 years ago now) it was because I had acpi enabled in the bios. It was merely a question of disabling acpi. If you are getting an error let us know what it is.


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