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Old 01-08-2017, 11:35 PM   #1
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Linux install on HP laptop


It has been 11 years since I fooled around with this stuff thus I think I might be a newbie. So, are there any inherent problems with installing a new version of Fedora on an New HP Silver Fusion already with windows 10 installed? "Back in the day" I installed many versions of Red Hat on various types of Windows computers with no problems. Linux just installed right over the windows OS. I am not up to date on any little traps that might be hiding in the Microsoft software since then, nor have I ever worked with a software change on a laptop. If all is well I would be grateful for any suggestion as to what newer version of Fedora would be best. (There seem to be a number of version in the 20's at this time, and since I am presently using Fedora 14 on an old huge 'Darth Vader' desktop, I am a bit confuse). Thank you all, jaredR
 
Old 01-09-2017, 12:39 AM   #2
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So, are there any inherent problems with installing a new version of Fedora on an New HP Silver Fusion already with windows 10 installed?
Hi...

The only problem I can think of that you might experience (if your system is brand new,) is that Fedora might not offer support for all your hardware devices. Most likely, this will be because drivers have not been written yet or released for them. However, I think you have a better chance of them being supported with Fedora than with other distributions.

Also, be sure to go through the documentation concerning UEFI and Secure Boot here, if you haven't already. It's a different ball of wax compared to the old BIOS setups. Please see here and here for some basic information on the differences.

Regards...
 
Old 01-09-2017, 03:29 AM   #3
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jaredR,

You may wish to be rid of W10 for ever and just have Fedora installed on your laptop.

One thing to bear in mind is the resale value of the laptop, should you ever decide to sell it.
It will be worth more with Windows 10 installed as opposed to a Linux OS.

It may be advisable to create a W10 bootable recovery USB drive before you overwrite it with Fedora.
http://www.techrepublic.com/article/...ecovery-drive/

Should you wish to dual-boot the two systems, then this article may assist you:
http://www.dedoimedo.com/computers/d...-8-ubuntu.html
 
Old 01-09-2017, 06:26 AM   #4
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*IF* (like me) you fear disturbing the evil WinMonster,
*maybe* VirtualBox &even OSboxes. 10 SAFE minutes to Fedora25

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Old 01-09-2017, 06:38 AM   #5
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Hi jared and welcome back to Linux,

The biggest change in the recent years is UEFI, which I think the fedoraproject.org website explains well. The UEFI firmware settings is the new "BIOS". You can get in there from inside the Win10 itself following:

Navigate to settings. ...
Select Update & security.
Select Recovery from the left menu.
Click Restart Now under Advanced startup. ...
Click Troubleshoot.
Click Advanced options.
Select UEFI Firmware Settings.
Click Restart.

Remove Secure Boot and Fastboot, and change boot device priorities. Then you're good to go. Since Win10 is there, there must already be an EFI partition (FAT), so you only need to make your Linux partitions and move on.

If you wish to keep the Windows, you might want to shrink the Windows partition from within Win10 using its disk manager and then install Linux alongside. Or as beachboy2 suggested, you can make recovery media for the Win10 and then overwrite it.

All the best.
 
Old 01-09-2017, 03:43 PM   #6
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jaredR, there's one advice which holds true now and i guess also did 11 years ago:
linux works best on slightly matured hardware.
let it sit for a year to let the developers catch on.
admittedly, if you already have the computer it isn't good advice.
if you don't, well consider buying something used.
 
Old 01-09-2017, 05:13 PM   #7
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linux works best on slightly matured hardware
The simplest way to check this out is to boot to a live linux cd (or usb) and check if anything isn't recognized or working. I've been using Mint, but I'd look for a live "cd" of Fedora or one of the other distros based on Fedora.
 
Old 01-09-2017, 05:59 PM   #8
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Might be worth it to consider using a free virtual machine on windows to run any number of linux distro's at the same time.
 
Old 01-10-2017, 03:57 AM   #9
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jaredR,

The video card is Intel HD520 and there is a good chance that the wifi card is also Intel, but this is not guaranteed.

Specs:
https://smedia3.webcollage.net/710d5...0Y/lZ1f1Hh8%3D

It is unlikely that the touchscreen will work in Linux.

As recommended above, installing VirtualBox in Windows and then running Fedora inside VB may be a good idea.

As ondoho points out, more mature hardware with a known track record is a better bet for Linux.

At the moment I can find no reference to this laptop being used for Linux. Maybe there are loads of happy HP Silver Fusion Linux users out there?

Is it possible to return the laptop?

Last edited by beachboy2; 01-10-2017 at 05:09 AM.
 
Old 01-11-2017, 08:54 PM   #10
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Intel chipsets for mobo and wireless are the most likely to have linux drivers. You could torrent a live Fedora file, put it on a usb drive with Rufus (in Win), and boot it in your laptop in about half an hour. Why would anyone consider returning a laptop before trying this?

ardvark71's links about dealing with EUFI are very helpful and should be read if like me your knowledge is from the bios era.
 
Old 01-11-2017, 09:38 PM   #11
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I always get AMD and nVidia if possible, usually with Debian based distros.
I've never paid any attention to the age of things - just load & go.

The only time I've ever had driver problems is with inkjet printers, so I don't use them any more.

Laser printers often seem to come with rpm drivers - so a conversion to deb is required.
 
Old 01-11-2017, 11:38 PM   #12
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To all of you who replied with advice -- Thank you so much -- I have some research to do now -- JaredR
 
Old 02-16-2017, 09:08 PM   #13
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Linux25 install over Win10 - Thanks much to all who responded to my request for help. Special thanks to 'aragorn2101' your precise directions were just what I needed and in the form that a retired English/History would understand. After following the steps I did get to the point where the Cinnamon 25 would boot up but then abruptly stopped with the dreaded grub? Error warning - error 23: error failure when parsing number. I stopped in to see a UNIX friend to describe the problem and he immediately said " Oh the install disc is faulty." I ordered a different install install disk, this time Linux work station from OSDisc.com which worked perfectly! I am a happy camper! Now I am trying to find a version a 'Linux Bible' type of reference book to have by my elbow. Thanks again to all for your help! jaredR
 
Old 02-20-2017, 04:41 AM   #14
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Here is a lot(!) of free to read online Linux manuals etc http://www.linuxtopia.org/
 
Old 02-20-2017, 02:23 PM   #15
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Most laptops support booting from USB now (2006+). No need to disturb the winMonster. On my gateway desktop I spam F12 to get a selection of boot devices. On my hp stream 11 I spam ESC, then press F9 and select. Aside from secure boot woes, your wireless driver likely needs firmware and stuff not installed by default, so have other options to have access to those things to install them to get on the web. There's many usb drives that are fast now, so it's not that much of a bottleneck for a usable desktop. And booted to a USB install lets you image the winMonster and other pre-install things before you start living dangerously.
 
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