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Old 07-28-2014, 02:04 PM   #31
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Originally Posted by szboardstretcher View Post
I think its a good analogy. Probably not though. But my point stands...

Most of us have cars and HVAC, and most of us wouldn't think twice about calling an expert to help, because we didn't have time to have a career in Car Mechanics or HVAC alongside our other career. But some people talk down to you if you have a computer that you don't understand.

In my example its a double standard. You don't have to know how a toilet works, and no one will think twice,.. but if you don't know about your computer everyone freaks out.

Whats the minimum required CFM return in a 900sq/ft room with 10ft ceilings, and what size duct would have to be used if it were 100ft away from the main stack assuming stack is capable only of your required CFM? What is the correct mixture of blinker fluid to muffler bearing grease in a 1967 Tesla Roadster?


Linux is not a bust. But it is complicated, just as Windows is, and people will need support and guidance and training to use it and understand it. It does not make them clueless. It makes them beginners. And the only way to keep the community and projects thriving is to help the beginners along, so that in the future they can do the same for the next generation of beginners.
I think part of the argument is the level of knowledge. I got pissed off at my sister... because for some reason, after a decade or more of her using the computer, she didn't know what I was talking about when I said "drag and drop" or "box select" in windows. On the flip side, I don't expect her to know format or fdisk commands.

I agree that keeping a community thriving, requires veterans helping out the newbies somewhat... but you can't do much for folks that don't seem to want to get their hands a little dirty (something more than GUI-click-click-click).

honestly, what exactly did bergath do? how does he go through 10 distros in 3 hours? any actual digging into conf files? anything more than, "install-not automatically loaded?-move to next distro"?

Originally Posted by dugan View Post
That absolutely is something that the average person needs to know. You need to know how and when to use a plunger. You need to know how to clean it. You need to know how to look in the tank and what to look for when you turn the handle and it doesn't flush. You need to know why certain things can't be safely flushed without risk of damaging it.
ideally, people SHOULD know how it works... but in reality, too many don't give a *insert expletive*... and just call a plumber whenever something goes south... or in this case, doesn't go at all.
Old 07-28-2014, 06:49 PM   #32
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Since mentioning lazy people among all the other kinds of people generated such hostility:
1) I do not agree with the idea that Linux systems should cater to people unwilling to learn anything. When someone switches from one tool to another, it is necessary to become familiar with it.
2) For those who are too lazy to learn something new, and yes those people exist, there are systems better suited for them: Windows and Apple come to mind. It is a case of paying for convenience. Expecting the same level of "out-of-the-box" performance and customer service from a free product is unrealistic. That is neither elitism nor arrogance.
3) The car analogy is perfect. Someone who has a hot rod learns enough to build and maintain the vehicle. Someone who wanted to have a hod rod without having to learn how to do basic automotive work would have an unrealistic expectation.

Now I am off to other threads and boards to continue my work of giving Linux users a bad name.
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