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Old 12-14-2014, 07:35 PM   #16
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The OP has been on this forum for 8 years. If he hasn't figured out Linux by now, then he just isn't trying.
If my dad can figure out Linux, anyone can.
Ah, so it's all bullshit, is it? A troll trying to rile up the users, perhaps? Hmm, I never would have guessed!
 
Old 12-14-2014, 08:13 PM   #17
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I am an older, competent, windows user who would love to migrate to Linux. Unfortunately there is no easy path. Linux seems to be a program written by geeks who want it to be different, forcing a windows user wanting to move over to completely learn a new way to use the internet. Even moving to Apple is easier. To learn Linux is like forcing us to learn Chinese from scratch. That will not happen.

Unless a pathway, or a bridge, which is "somewhat" like windows is provided so we can assimilate into this new OS called Linux, I, we, will never really accept Linux to replace Windows. Even though we want to get away from Windows, there is no way to do it, because Linux is just too different to easily learn. I can play with Linux, but that is all I can do - play with it, not use it on a daily basis.
SAD.

And here we are, going to be forced to accept Windows 10 as the next OS, and I have nothing to say about it, for MS will soon kill Win7 like they killed XP, and force me to go to Win10, when I don't want to. I would love to use Linux, but the learning curve is just toooooo steep.
SAD

It would be nice to have a version which would make moving from Windows to Linux easy. The reality is, though, Linux is an OS for the younger geeks, or experienced programmer, not an OS for the avg user. Why can't that change? I realize this is an age old question, which has been around for years, but I'm realizing it is now becoming a reality I need to face.

Try a live-cd/usb
 
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Old 12-14-2014, 09:02 PM   #18
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It would be nice to have a version which would make moving from Windows to Linux easy. The reality is, though, Linux is an OS for the younger geeks, or experienced programmer, not an OS for the avg user. Why can't that change?
Hello, GypsyDan

I started using MS-DOS and Windows back in 1989, and I'm still required to use Windows each day at work, but for the last 15 years, I've run nothing but Linux at home, and to this day I still find Linux to be the easier OS to use. Be sure you don't allow Windows to create some kind of tunnel vision that you can never find your way out of. Keep playing around with Linux, and you'll eventually see how it is superior to Windows in countless ways. In fact, if Linux worked like Windows, as you say you wish it did, I'd have to find another OS for use at home.

Oh, and note that I do plan to start using Linux at work the first time I think I can get away with it.
 
Old 12-15-2014, 05:25 AM   #19
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Unless a pathway, or a bridge, which is "somewhat" like windows is provided so we can assimilate into this new OS called Linux, I, we, will never really accept Linux to replace Windows. Even though we want to get away from Windows, there is no way to do it, because Linux is just too different to easily learn. I can play with Linux, but that is all I can do - play with it, not use it on a daily basis
I don't understand why the Op is having so much trouble? I use Windows 7 at work and learned what I needed to know by "playing" with it. Email, web browsing, word processing, spreadsheets, image manipulation and whatever you can think of are fairly similar using Linux, though the program names may be different.

I think that he only perceives that Linux is complicated. I've never had to visit a Windows forum but would reckon there's a great deal of "Right click and select such-and-such an option" (This argument fails when you need to use regedit or something similar! I'm then lost, but, hey! I can use Windows without modifying the registry every five minutes )

One of the most noticeable things about the LinuxQuestions forums is that the answers to most of the queries involve "Open a terminal and type..." which is going to be pretty daunting to someone hoping to move from Windows, they're more used to point-and-click solution. The Op's been trying to read and understand this stuff since 2006 as has been mentioned?

Is this where the "Geeky" image comes from? I tend to use a GUI for most things, just like in Windows, but I love the ability to drop into a cli to fix things on a nuts 'n' bolts level.

If a GUI does it for you, just use a GUI, use of the command line is not a prerequisite.

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Linux is an OS for the younger geeks
I don't think so, I'm 64 and, where it's been mentioned, a lot of the posters in the forums are older or retired people.

Anyway... My

Play Bonny!


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Old 12-15-2014, 05:42 AM   #20
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One of the most noticeable things about the LinuxQuestions forums is that the answers to most of the queries involve "Open a terminal and type..." which is going to be pretty daunting to someone hoping to move from Windows, they're more used to point-and-click solution.
Because the "point-and-click solution" requires '20 questions' to determine what version of what environment of what distro is being used, and someone familiar enough with it.

cli "just works".
 
Old 12-15-2014, 07:05 AM   #21
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I am an older, competent, windows user who would love to migrate to Linux. Unfortunately there is no easy path. Linux seems to be a program written by geeks who want it to be different, forcing a windows user wanting to move over to completely learn a new way to use the internet.
You're assuming that a) *nix operating systems are produced for users migrating from windows as an alternative to windows b) that you are entitled to such an OS being produced for you, for free, therein lies the problem.

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Unless a pathway, or a bridge, which is "somewhat" like windows is provided so we can assimilate into this new OS called Linux, I, we, will never really accept Linux to replace Windows. Even though we want to get away from Windows, there is no way to do it, because Linux is just too different to easily learn. I can play with Linux, but that is all I can do - play with it, not use it on a daily basis.
SAD.
Linux is not really a "new OS". Linux has been around since the early 90s and Linux itself is a free implementation of UNIX which has been around since the 70's. None of these operating systems were really developed for people who wanted to "get away from windows". The way that Linux works now - file organisation, shell commands, scripts, daemons, "everything-is-a-file" - has been much the same since then. Windows is the "new" way - and most *NIX users would say - the wrong way.

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And here we are, going to be forced to accept Windows 10 as the next OS, and I have nothing to say about it, for MS will soon kill Win7 like they killed XP, and force me to go to Win10, when I don't want to. I would love to use Linux, but the learning curve is just toooooo steep.
SAD
Unfortunately for you, that's your problem. Anything different to what you're used to has a steep learning curve. Something which looks and works like windows will simply emulate all of it's problems and you will soon be back where you started.

There are tons of beginners' Linux distros, either hunt down one to suit you, carry on with windows or buy a Mac.
 
Old 12-15-2014, 08:04 AM   #22
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@OP: Have you tried Mint?
It is very GUI-centric and I find it very similar to the working environment provided by Windows.

There is also Zorin OS -- this is specifically designed to as similar to Windows as possible and is aimed at newcomers to GNU/Linux.

It may also help you to read this article:
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
 
Old 12-15-2014, 10:45 AM   #23
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First of all I am just an average user, like you. I too was initially frustated with Windows. Eventhough I have used Linux I never enjoyed like Windows for its point and click methodology. This thought existed only until I gave a try with Mint for the first time. I used it for a week or less I could manage to grasp things easily as it was more similar to Windows. And then i realized You can feel the sweetness of Honey only If you taste it

It is just my opinion for your post no offense bro
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I am an older, competent, windows user who would love to migrate to Linux.

Congrats on your wise thought!

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Unfortunately there is no easy path.

Nothing comes easy! Even a born child learns for months (even years) to walk properly.

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Linux seems to be a program written by geeks

Maybe but even an average user can understand If he/she start using it rather just simply sitting and loving to migrate.

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Even moving to Apple is easier.
Then do it happily instead blaming Linux.

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Unless a pathway, or a bridge, which is "somewhat" like windows is provided so we can assimilate into this new OS called Linux, I, we, will never really accept Linux to replace Windows.

.....You should really give a shot with Mint.

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I would love to use Linux, but the learning curve is just toooooo steep.

Bro, seriously.. ? If you love Linux in a deep way, you will not find learning curve a steep way you may consider Robolinux until you fully migrate to Linux.

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It would be nice to have a version which would make moving from Windows to Linux easy. The reality is, though, Linux is an OS for the younger geeks, or experienced programmer, not an OS for the avg user. Why can't that change? I realize this is an age old question, which has been around for years, but I'm realizing it is now becoming a reality I need to face.
finally, it is all upto your attitude on Linux, or Apple os X or whatever os you want (or you love) to migrate. Either accept things that cannot be changed or change things that you cant accept

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Old 12-15-2014, 12:51 PM   #24
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I was about to suggest that Linux fills a niche, then I recalled that, apparently, Linus wants "the desktop" still so I feel any criticism of Linux is valid since Linus asked for it.
For the record I am happy as things are.
 
Old 12-15-2014, 01:01 PM   #25
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I am an older, competent, windows user who would love to migrate to Linux. Unfortunately there is no easy path. Linux seems to be a program written by geeks who want it to be different, forcing a windows user wanting to move over to completely learn a new way to use the internet. Even moving to Apple is easier. To learn Linux is like forcing us to learn Chinese from scratch. That will not happen.

Unless a pathway, or a bridge, which is "somewhat" like windows is provided so we can assimilate into this new OS called Linux, I, we, will never really accept Linux to replace Windows. Even though we want to get away from Windows, there is no way to do it, because Linux is just too different to easily learn. I can play with Linux, but that is all I can do - play with it, not use it on a daily basis.
SAD.

And here we are, going to be forced to accept Windows 10 as the next OS, and I have nothing to say about it, for MS will soon kill Win7 like they killed XP, and force me to go to Win10, when I don't want to. I would love to use Linux, but the learning curve is just toooooo steep.
SAD

It would be nice to have a version which would make moving from Windows to Linux easy. The reality is, though, Linux is an OS for the younger geeks, or experienced programmer, not an OS for the avg user. Why can't that change? I realize this is an age old question, which has been around for years, but I'm realizing it is now becoming a reality I need to face.

Remember we don't all come from Windows.
 
Old 12-15-2014, 01:07 PM   #26
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I do reccomend Apple if you just want an appliance. I know a few people who swear by them.
Though, apparently, Linus would have me tell you that with Linux you get to design exactly how your desktop looks and get to choose every program that runs.
 
Old 12-15-2014, 01:22 PM   #27
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I am an older, competent, windows user who would love to migrate to Linux. Unfortunately there is no easy path. Linux seems to be a program written by geeks who want it to be different, forcing a windows user wanting to move over to completely learn a new way to use the internet. Even moving to Apple is easier. To learn Linux is like forcing us to learn Chinese from scratch. That will not happen.

Unless a pathway, or a bridge, which is "somewhat" like windows is provided so we can assimilate into this new OS called Linux, I, we, will never really accept Linux to replace Windows. Even though we want to get away from Windows, there is no way to do it, because Linux is just too different to easily learn. I can play with Linux, but that is all I can do - play with it, not use it on a daily basis.
SAD.

And here we are, going to be forced to accept Windows 10 as the next OS, and I have nothing to say about it, for MS will soon kill Win7 like they killed XP, and force me to go to Win10, when I don't want to. I would love to use Linux, but the learning curve is just toooooo steep.
SAD

It would be nice to have a version which would make moving from Windows to Linux easy. The reality is, though, Linux is an OS for the younger geeks, or experienced programmer, not an OS for the avg user. Why can't that change? I realize this is an age old question, which has been around for years, but I'm realizing it is now becoming a reality I need to face.

Are there actual questions here, or just a rant? Why can't it change? You signed up for the forums in 2006, I've used Linux since sometime in the 90's, maybe as early as the 80's. You think it's difficult to use Linux now, you should have seen it years ago.

I think the difficulties out there now are a bit because of the amount of choices. There are so many distributions that it can become daunting to actually select one. So OK select a few of them, but at least do a bit of research just for "looks". Which is to say, look at the ones where you see the names of a lot, ones which are full desktop distributions like MINT, Suse, or Ubuntu and then try them on a computer. For me I preferentially try them on a computer which has no purpose. Meaning I install it and try it out that way. And then I look at how it appears and play a minor amount with it, not worry yet about how much I can or can't do. I'll look at web browsing, email, and then move towards other things like writing documents or spreadsheets, or playing media files either music or movies. Eventually I determine whether or not this distribution is one which I "like".

Rather than toss a gauntlet continually saying "SAD", why not cite specific "trials and tribulations" where it's very hard and you can't succeed. It's easy to say "too hard", that's the sad part here.

People are happy to offer some suggestions and some here have. I vote for MINT or Ubuntu they both install pretty well, work pretty well on most machines. MINT gets a better nod for GUI then Ubuntu with most people, myself included.
 
Old 12-15-2014, 01:36 PM   #28
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It would seem that Linus wants desktop domination so I see the OP as one of many which are encouraged by him.
I used to think Linux was an OS for people who think about their OS and want the ability to make changes but everything I have read from Linus recently suggests that he wants to have a mainstream, desktop (iof it still exists) OS.

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It would seem that Linus wants desktop domination so I see the OP as one of many which are encouraged by him.
I used to think Linux was an OS for people who think about their OS and want the ability to make changes but everything I have read from Linus recently suggests that he wants to have a mainstream, desktop (iof it still exists) OS.
 
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I've observed before, just MHO, that Linux may only become mainstream when some large PC manufacturer chooses to distribute their PCs with it.
 
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