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Old 02-04-2012, 07:51 AM   #1
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Lamp debian from source?


Hello, i would like to setup lamp for debian from source.

what i want is: MariaDB Not mysql(because i dont like their style, http://mariadb.org easy setup and reasonable...)

Apache: i dont care, i take what i found within the minimum install...

php, i want it from source, i think the debian sushi or whatever it is, does not fullyfill my needs. But how to setup on Debian, my last server was centos, easy going but debian is quite different to me.

Any suggestions are welcome to me!
best regards,
Eckhard

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Old 02-04-2012, 11:22 AM   #2
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I don't really understand what your question is.

To install packages from source, download the necessary tarballs, build them, and install.

MariaDB has a download page here
Apache has a download page here
PHP has a download page here

Each website should have directions on how to compile the source code (MariaDB, Apache, PHP). They should also discuss how to configure each component to work together.

I would suggest that you try to install them according to the documentation, and then post a new thread at LQ for any error you encounter. It's unlikely anyone at LQ will give you a step-by-step install because we can't know what you want for every possible configuration option.
 
Old 02-04-2012, 02:24 PM   #3
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well, what i wanted to ask is... "how to go through" by not using the "plug and play way(plug and play(for those who dont know, get windows 7 os, do you know now!?)"
, you know what i mean? i am not asking about webpages, i want to know experience with installing and so on. i am new at debian... however, any opinion is welcome.
 
Old 02-04-2012, 02:26 PM   #4
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http://www.tuxfiles.org/linuxhelp/softinstall.html
 
Old 02-04-2012, 03:10 PM   #5
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Originally Posted by eckhard
i am not asking about webpages, i want to know experience with installing and so on. i am new at debian
Again, your question is not clear.

You want to avoid plug-and-play. I understand. The Linux version of plug-and-play (loosely speaking) is to install software with a package manager. Ok, you do not want to install with a package manager. The only other option would be to install from source.

The link provided by kindofabuzz describes the generic procedure for compiling and installing from source.

The last three links I provided are the project-specific procedures for compiling and installing from source.

Reading those web pages would be no different than reading the same instructions in a reply to your thread.

I sense that English is not your native language. That's fine, but until you can articulate exactly what you want to know, it will be hard to give an answer. From what you have said so far, you are looking for instructions on installing from source. As I mentioned above, the links given will provide that information.

Also, you reference that you are using debian multiple times. When you compile from source, it really does not matter (as much) what distribution you are using. Typically, the only time your distribution matters (when compiling from source) is how to integrate the new application into the startup/shutdown sequence for the machine and other utilities (such as SELinux, AppArmor, Logrotate, etc.). However, if you want to integrate them, the usual route is through a package manager. Because you don't want to use a package manager, it is up to you to decide which utilities you want to integrate the new program with, and the method you want to accomplish it with.

Building from source is free-form. If you build from source, it's assumed that you know what you're doing. For services (such as Apache), there may be lots of things you need to do after installing. Again, it's expected that you know what you need to do if you compile from source.

If you run into a specific problem while compiling, configuring, or integrating, then you can always post a question with the specific problem.

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If you really want to get a lot of experience and understand what it means to compile, install, and integrate a package from source, then you should try to create Linux From Scratch. You will learn very quickly that the "./configure && make && make install" steps are only the beginning of the process for the larger, complex pieces of software.

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Old 02-04-2012, 03:30 PM   #6
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Again, dear Helmut, your answer was not clear to me also. i am not native american, yep you are right with your pitty guessing.

My summery!
you have to know all about you can about the stuff you ask, even while you seek for knowledge in a forum with dozen or better a view more than dozen of peoples who know stuff better than i do.... The views are to cocky because they believe they can, so they do.

I am greatfull because i learned my lesson. Never, ever do ask for stuff another peoples could know.

Never mind, i will not ask again.

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Old 02-04-2012, 03:54 PM   #7
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Quote:
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Never mind, i will not ask again.
That is your loss.

Quote:
Originally Posted by eckhard
The views are to cocky because they believe they can, so they do.
No one has been cocky in their responses. If you feel they have, then report the post to a moderator.

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you have to know all about you can about the stuff you ask, even while you seek for knowledge in a forum with dozen or better a view more than dozen of peoples who know stuff better than i do
No, you do not need to know everything, but you do need to articulate your question so that others can understand and answer your question. As I said, the only thing I can understand from your post is that you want to install three packages from source on debian. I have to guess what information you specifically need. So I guessed that you needed installation instructions. You responded, and your response did not identify any additional detail. So again, I responded and had to guess what other information you were looking for.

Until you can articulate/phrase/identify what specific information you need help with, no one can help you. No one can answer a question if they do not know what the question is asking.

EDIT:
I have taken the step of reporting my own response (#5 in this thread) for review by a moderator. If they agree that my responses(s) are cocky, I expect that they will say so in a later reply.

Regardless, seeing as how you and I are unable to communicate effectively, I will refrain from responding to any future post/message you make.

EDIT2:
In one last guess at what information you need:
When I say "it's expected that you know what you're doing" it's because you are working with your system at a foundational level. Take this analogy:

A package manager is like a car dealer. You go to a car dealer and ask for a fast car. The car dealer will have a specific set of models that are "fast." You pick which model you want and go on about your activities.

When you compile from source, you are building a car. If you go to a store that sells car parts and say you want a fast car, the shopkeeper cannot explain to you how to build a fast car. Only you know what you consider to be "fast." Only you know what environment your fast car will be used in. The shopkeeper expects that you know what you want when you walk into the store. This is no more unfair or "cocky" than with software projects.

Or another analogy: baking a cake. You can buy a cake at the store (package manager) or you can bake your own (build from source). If you ask someone to tell you how to bake a cake, they cannot answer you. Do you want a chocolate cake? How big should the cake be? Do you want icing? Should there be layers? Will the cake be round or some other shape? What altitude are you baking at? What ingredients do you have available? Do you have allergies to specific ingredients? Do you have an oven? Do you have a baking pan? Do you have measuring cups? The question asked is too broad for any meaningful answer.

Because the topic is so broad, it is expected that you know the specifics of your system. Knowing the specifics of your system allows you to phrase the question and provide necessary information to others that might help. Saying you run a debian system does not answer all possible questions. Two debian systems can be drastically different from each other in the software they have installed and the configurations they use.

There is no single way to build, install, and configure a piece of software from source. There just isn't. If you were given that impression from some other source, then that source gave you bad information or it did a bad job of explaining.

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