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Old 11-17-2004, 09:56 AM   #1
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knoppix vs mandrake


I was curious about a few things that mandrake and knoppix might have. As I'm having some trouble with my sound and I'm not sure if it's fixable or that it's just realplayer and my soundcard. I have kde installed but because I installed and manage my hardware manually in debian I'm not completely sure if I did everything right and the easiest way to me seems just trying a distro that's supposed to have good hardware detection and ease of use. That is if:

-mandrake or knoppix just makes sound work like it's supposed to be working (completely with wrappers for my sound card that doesn't support hardware mixing). And the sound server has to work good out of the box without needing my tinkering.

-I'd rather don't have dependency hell I'm pretty sure that knoppic doesn't have it if it's installed but I'm not so sure about mandrake.

Thanks for the help
 
Old 11-17-2004, 10:32 AM   #2
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knoppix is just a bootable CD version of linux.... if you're doing this on a pernament system, i'd suggest something else...


Mandrake or fedora core 3 might offer better hardware support, but you can also get debain off the sarge-installer which is really nice as well... up to you..
 
Old 11-17-2004, 10:46 AM   #3
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Some people like to install Knoppix to the HD because it's small and has very good automatic hardware detection, especially those with laptops that have experienced trouble with other distros.

Knoppix and Mandrake differ in that Mandrake is an RPM distro (its installation and package files are stored in Redhat Package Manager format, RPM). Knoppix is based on Debian, which uses DEB packages. There are people who adhere to one or the other and there have been "holy wars" about the different formats.

Using apt-get will get things installed with less dependency problems. Most distros are leaning towards supporting apt-get.
 
Old 11-17-2004, 10:54 AM   #4
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we are apt of borg - rpm is futile - you will be dpkg'ed
 
Old 11-17-2004, 11:13 AM   #5
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Originally posted by initialdrifteg6
knoppix is just a bootable CD version of linux.... if you're doing this on a pernament system, i'd suggest something else...


Mandrake or fedora core 3 might offer better hardware support, but you can also get debain off the sarge-installer which is really nice as well... up to you..
Bullshit knoppix is also hd instalable
just open comand line (ctrl+alt+f1)
and type knx-hdinstall
then follow instructions
 
Old 11-17-2004, 02:08 PM   #6
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I know those things I was just asking for the hardware detection, especially the sound and how it was managed. Like if a wrapper gets installed automatically for onboard audio that doesn't support hardware mixing. I'm trying to find out if I can fix the problem and since I don't have much time to tinker all my debian settings and script a software mixer I'd like to know if those get installed automatically by one of those and preferably if one of the two is better.

I'm leaning to knoppix though since it's debian-based and smaller. However the hardware stuff has to be done good that was why I was asking if one of the two might be better to use for fixing my problem.
 
Old 11-18-2004, 04:31 AM   #7
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Looks like it isn't really a newbie question anymore. Anyway I tried knoppix and it's not configured as I'd like it to check if my problme can be solved.
 
Old 11-18-2004, 12:07 PM   #8
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Like I said, Knoppix is very good at hardware detection, and Mandrake is very much coming along in that department. Mandrake used to SUCK (that's the technical term) when it came to audio, but they have significantly cleaned up their hardware detection there.

Mandrake will probably default to installing the ARTs Sound system.

Since you can try both, if Knoppix gives you your audio when booting from CD, then it will work when installed to HD...

As far as Mandrake is concerned, the Community version is 3 CDs,... So if you have broadband, you won't have too much trouble.

If booting into Knoppix (make sure it's the latest) doesn't give you proper sound, then try going with Mandrake. Mandrake can fixed easier, IMHO.
 
Old 11-18-2004, 12:35 PM   #9
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Bullshit knoppix is also hd instalable
just open comand line (ctrl+alt+f1)
and type knx-hdinstall
then follow instructions
i know, but think about it like this... you go out and buy a car... someone said that the car isn't meant to autocross... i as well call bullshit because i have the knowledge of how to control the car and how to race on courses... BUT for the majority of people... they will not use it for those purposes...


much like knoppix... it is MEANT for bootable CD linux so you don't alter your current config... and YES i DO KNOW that you can keep it as a pernament install or even set aside of of your hdd space for the saving of settings... but we're not talkin about special cases... we're discussing what distrobution for the average person will work...

so you go eat your bullshit...

amen
 
Old 11-18-2004, 01:58 PM   #10
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Originally posted by initialdrifteg6
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much like knoppix... it is MEANT for bootable CD linux so you don't alter your current config... and YES i DO KNOW that you can keep it as a pernament install or even set aside of of your hdd space for the saving of settings... but we're not talkin about special cases... we're discussing what distrobution for the average person will work...
But the fact remains that it IS installable and IS a viable solution for those who want a compact, yet full-featured Linux on a system.

Sure,... it's MAIN purpose is to be used to evaluate Linux. But to use your racing analogy,... If I buy a motocross motorcycle that is modified to be street legal (full lights, etc.), you've seen them I'm sure,... they look like a cross between a crotch rocket and a motocross bike,... Then the bike is a perfectly legitimate way of commuting to work in decent weather... Just like Knoppix is a perfectly legitimate way to have a simple Linux desktop on a system. And because it's Linux,... I can take what is essentially a motocross bike of a distro and trick it out to be more like a street cruiser of a desktop OS...
 
Old 11-18-2004, 02:10 PM   #11
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haha... dude... or some moderator... let's just put an end to this thread...


i read maybe the first sentence of what you had to write cause i'm a stuborn asshole... deal with it... as soon as i saw you using MY emphasis marks and my motorveihicle analogies... you got shut off... imo this thread is dead.
 
Old 11-18-2004, 02:45 PM   #12
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haha... dude... or some moderator... let's just put an end to this thread...


i read maybe the first sentence of what you had to write cause i'm a stuborn asshole... deal with it... as soon as i saw you using MY emphasis marks and my motorveihicle analogies... you got shut off... imo this thread is dead.
Let me ask for the thread to be closed if I want to and in this case no I don't want it closed. You know I still have a question and want to thank everybody that posted anyway. Just stay away if you don't like anything don't get my thread closed cause you don't want to discuss anything further than your own opinion...

To anybody else who posted useful information thank you!

The problem was that knoppix does make my sound work but in exactly the same way that I have my debian installed myself. i.e. using alsa or oss (xmms said oss but I'm not exactly sure nor do I care) and then make it 'write' directly to the sound device. The arts server isn't used at all. Also the soundconfiguration tool doesn't support my AC97 card. But if mandrake does that it's great that's what I wanted to test
 
  


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