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Old 07-21-2016, 02:06 AM   #1
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K3b says it's burning .ogg and burns .wav instead


I download an .mp3 file. Convert it in an online OGG converter. Then burn the OGG onto a CD-R in K3b. I've done this for years and the CDs play fine in my JVC CD changer. But lately the CDs start playing (in the CD changer) but then after a few minutes stop and shift the changer to another disc. So I checked the CD and it says it has a .WAV file instead of an OGG file. The .WAV plays fine in VLC player on the computer but like I said it won't play in the JVC. And I think it may have even messed up the JVC. I repeated the burn process in K3b. It clearly shows it's an .ogg that's being burned. Any idea what might be happening? Thanks.
 
Old 07-21-2016, 02:43 AM   #2
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probably k3b automatically converted it to wav.
 
Old 07-21-2016, 05:01 AM   #3
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You can't burn .ogg's directly to an audio CD without converting to a lossless format: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc#Audio_CD
The .ogg's were always being converted as an intermediate step, whether you were aware of it or not. So what changed that caused your issue? It's hard to say from your description (used to work, "lately" doesn't).
If you have the original mp3's, see if burning them produces better results. I guess you have your reasons for converting to .ogg, but I hope you know you're losing audio quality converting from one compressed audio format to another.
 
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While MP3 and WMA are typically supported in modern commercial players ogg vorbis is not very common. Are you burning the CD as audio or data?
An ogg file would be a data disk and burning as an audio project as stated would convert the existing file first to wav. Some file browsers might list the contents of an audio disc as wav although it does not contain a real file system.

I doubt it messed up the player.
 
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probably k3b automatically converted it to wav.
Ok. Thanks.
 
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You can't burn .ogg's directly to an audio CD without converting to a lossless format: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compact_disc#Audio_CD
The .ogg's were always being converted as an intermediate step, whether you were aware of it or not. So what changed that caused your issue? It's hard to say from your description (used to work, "lately" doesn't).
If you have the original mp3's, see if burning them produces better results. I guess you have your reasons for converting to .ogg, but I hope you know you're losing audio quality converting from one compressed audio format to another.
Thanks seasons. I checked several other CDs that I burned that I'd burned to .ogg and they were all .wav. I burned them to .ogg (or so I thought) because my CD player would not play the .mp3 that the file started out as and played the .oggs. I'm not concerned about sound quality as mostly what I burn is sermons and they're all talk.

I think my CD player getting funky was just that it happened to get funky while playing that one disc. Pure chance. The CD player is nineteen years old so it's probably time for a new one.

So what would the ideal format be to convert from .mp3 to play on a regular CD player (in a stereo or car)?
 
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While MP3 and WMA are typically supported in modern commercial players ogg vorbis is not very common. Are you burning the CD as audio or data?
An ogg file would be a data disk and burning as an audio project as stated would convert the existing file first to wav. Some file browsers might list the contents of an audio disc as wav although it does not contain a real file system.

I doubt it messed up the player.
Thanks Michael. I was burning it as an audio project. I only converted the .mp3 files to .ogg because the .oggs worked on on my CD player (and the CD player wouldn't play .mp3s). I'd be willing to do anything, any work flow to get CDs that play on CD players.

This has me mystified. The files that I burned from are .oggs. (see #29) and the files that show up when I open the CD that I burned to are .wavs. (see #30)

It seems like most free audio books and sermons offer .mp3s only. So I've downloaded them then converted them in this converter http://audio.online-convert.com/convert-to-ogg and then burned the .ogg file to a disc in K3b as an audio project.

Is there a better way to get the .mp3s to play in regular CD players?
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A 19 year old player is unlikely to support anything but a regular audio CD. As stated they need to be wav files but K3b automatically converts them. I assume the file browser has a CD virtual filesystem or other plugin that displays the contents of an audio CD as wav.

An audio CD does not contain a file system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compac..._Digital_Audio

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Old 07-21-2016, 09:14 PM   #9
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A 19 year old player is unlikely to support anything but a regular audio CD. As stated they need to be wav files but K3b automatically converts them. I assume the file browser has a CD virtual filesystem or other plugin that displays the contents of an audio CD as wav.

An audio CD does not contain a file system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compac..._Digital_Audio
Thanks
 
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I was burning it as an audio project.
That means exactly the files were converted first into wav and next into an audio CD format (which has no filesystem, no files) and the final image was burned. All these steps can be made "on the fly", so it may look like you added ogg files.
CD player (JVC) reads the cd itself and tries to play that data (if recognized). First it checks if it was an audio cd (without filesystem) and newer players may look for a filesystem too and also may try to read/play different type of files, like mp3, flac, ogg, mid, whatever.
K3b may convert mp3 too - as far as I know. I would check if the target format is really an audio CD, probably you missed a checkbox somewhere....

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So what would the ideal format be to convert from .mp3 to play on a regular CD player (in a stereo or car)?
None. The burner program (k3b in this case) does the appropriate conversion (ogg or mp3 or whatever -> PCM lossless) for you. If your CD player plays a CD burned with ogg files, but not with the same mp3 files, then I would suggest looking at the the quality of the mp3 files with a program like mp3val. I also wonder if k3b is automatically trying to write CD-TEXT info from the mp3 header information but doesn't do it for your ogg files if they don't have the appropriate metadata.
 
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They are automatically converted, I think its default for it.
 
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Thanks guys. It's just weird. I can't quite nail down why some CDs play and others don't when they were made in the same way. Ultimately I'm thinking of getting a CD player that can play mp3s too.
 
  


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