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Old 03-17-2003, 01:38 PM   #16
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Yeah, it seems too easy to get pissed off these days. I am angry with Linux right now because of the struggle I have had with it, and the fact that I don't know dick about it. It's always frustrating when you don't know much about what you are trying to deal with. My tools right now are my common sense and the info I get from this forrum and various other web pages.

As I understand it, I can't go to Suse for help because I am compiling my own kernel, and they only support the rpm's that they release. Is that right?
 
Old 03-17-2003, 01:57 PM   #17
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right, there's too many variables to try to support anything other than the one they ship.
 
Old 03-17-2003, 02:53 PM   #18
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Quote:
overlooked the fact that it doesn't work that way
in Linux, I see why my thinking is unreasonable.
Well, the unreasonable part here are
hardware manufacturers/vendors ...

For instance Comp-Ack, bringing machines onto
the market that don't match ACPI standards but
supply eXPeriment with a driver to deal with the
flaw in the hardware ...

Cheers,
Tink
 
Old 03-17-2003, 03:37 PM   #19
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you might try this, get the 2.4.20 kernel rpm, here
, once thats downloaded, open a root term and type:cp /boot/vmlinuz /boot/vmlinuz.old and cp /boot/initrd /boot/initrd.old then cd / to the directory that you saved the rpm to, and type rpm -Uvh k_deflt-2.4.20-39.i586.rpm then type mk_initrd then type grub-install /dev/hda then SuSEconfig then shutdown -r now , that will reboot and you should be running on the new kernel.
 
Old 03-17-2003, 04:14 PM   #20
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Cool ! I'll try that. How did you find an rpm 2.4.20 ? I must not know yet how to find this stuff. The only things that I came up with are the source for 2.4.20 and the tar.gz file.

Thanks
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Old 03-17-2003, 04:38 PM   #21
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its buried on a mirror that supports the apt4suse system, kind of a apt-get/rpm hybrid system. it seems to work much better than yast online update.
 
Old 03-18-2003, 12:31 AM   #22
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OK, I installed the new kernel 2.4.20 and got it to boot. I have the same problem.

I think I've had it with this.This is really just too much trouble.I doubt that I'll be shelling out money again for a Linux distro any time soon.

Should I just say F it and install another distro like Redhat?
 
Old 03-18-2003, 12:57 AM   #23
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How is that in any way unreasonable ?

you bought a MB with an unsupported chipset, then complain that SuSE doesn't own a timemachine to go forward in time, get a kernel that supports your chipset, then go backward in time and install it on the 8.1 release so that your MB will work properly today. no, thats not unreasonable at all.
Well said.
 
Old 03-18-2003, 01:04 AM   #24
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You can try Red Hat, but check their HCL before you spend time downloading it.
 
Old 03-18-2003, 01:16 AM   #25
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Redhat doesn't appear to even have Asus motherboards at all in the HCL list.

I know that some of you Linux masters are going to take offense when people get frustrated and take a shot at your beloved OS, but people generally tend to get frustrated when they pay for something and they can't get it to work right. I think that applies to anything that you buy.

So yeah, I'm pretty torqued that I payed $80 for Suse and can't get this problem ironed out, even with the most recent stable kernel.

It's not like I'm not trying. I'm trying everything that I can to fix this.
I have a right to be a little pissed.

JC
 
Old 03-18-2003, 01:22 AM   #26
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Bottome line is you purchased software without checking compatibility with hardware. You're at fault, not linux nor SuSE.

That's strange. The only Asus hardware categories listed are Network Device/Controller and Video Device/Controller. If you have broadband, go ahead and give it a go. You only need discs 1 and 2 for Red Hat 8's regular install.

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Old 03-18-2003, 05:48 PM   #27
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Linux is not compatible with all hardware. How professional, or industry standard you believe your hardware to be is irrelevant, whether there are drivers for any given piece of hardware is influenced by a lot of factors.

This lack of 100% compatability is a well known and well publicised problem, even the most basic research would have shown it up. So, in this case, it appears to be a known problem which will hopefully be fixed soon. If you want it to be fixed sooner, you are of course welcome to sit down and fix the problem yourself.

You're in the same situation as people who buy TV sets abroad while on holiday, then wonder why it doesn't work at home. Yeah, it sucks, but that's just the way it is, and it's hardly the fault of the TV set that your country uses a different transmission system.

So if you're just going to let off steam here, then forget about Linux for a few months, say 6, then come back when your problem will probably be solved along with a load of other issues you won't have encountered yet.
 
Old 03-18-2003, 10:46 PM   #28
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Yeah, I hear you. It just sucks because I am impatient, and I want to dive into Linux now and not 6 months down the road. I do have a mentality that has developed from using Microsoft's OS.
And I must say that I'm a little ashamed of myself because I remember when I programmed my TRS-80 and there was no Microsoft. And programming was great fun. And it still is, though my mind has been made lazy by living in a Microsoft world.

As far as fixing it myself, I'm not that accomplished as a programmer yet. I only wish that I knew enough about opperating systems to dive into the source and fix it. I have done assembly language stuff (IE reversing), and C++/OpenGL programming, but I have no experience at all with messing with the code of the OS.

And I appologize if I have offended the community here. I'm just pissed because I thought by now that I would be zooming along on Linux and doing some OpenGL programming.

JC

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Old 03-18-2003, 11:33 PM   #29
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Simmer down folks!

I just finished reading through this post and I have to say that you all need to relax a little, not just lostboy.

This is a very real problem for Linux currently. And lostboy has a right to be a little peeved. Does Suse print the HCL on the box? ne1? ne1? ... buehler?... That is on the outside of the box that they sell in any electronics store? I doubt it, there is just not enough box to print an entire HCL there.

This is a problem however that extends past that of Linux, and into software in general. Specifically, software manufacturers are not required to stand behind their products. This INCLUDES Microsoft as well.

When you buy a car, you get a warranty that covers problems that may arise, you _also_ get what is called an "implied warranty". This basically states that the product will function for the purpose it was purchased for. (I.E. when operated correctly, it will get you from point A to point B)

Software manufacturers always include a statement in their EULA that states that they offer no such implied warranty. They are basically saying that;
"The CD you are about to buy could very well be nothing more than a coaster to place under your coffee every morning, but there is NOTHING you can do about it."

lostboy, I would venture to guess that the place you bought the CD will not take it back due to the package being opened. On behalf of the Linux community, I apologize for this incompatibility. The good news is that this is getting to be more of a rare instance, and hopefully in the future, more companies will begin to develop Linux drivers for their HW just as quickly as they develop Windows drivers.

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Jeremiah
 
Old 03-19-2003, 12:24 AM   #30
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I appreciate your words.

Thanks,

JC
 
  


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