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Old 12-22-2010, 03:31 PM   #31
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Dear w1k0, That’s right, I don’t have it. Would you tell me where you got you mc from? I never realized it before, on Mandrake, Mandriva, RedHat, Fedora, Slackware, old Debian nor SuSE. It’s very strange? ( )
I use Slackware and Midnight Commander is the application provided in AP series. That year I tried FreeBSD, Arch and Linux Mint and all of them offer the version of Midnight Commander. I’m pretty sure there are versions of that program for all distributions you mentioned above as well as for openSUSE.

Since it seems your Midnight Commander hasn’t skins create /usr/share/mc/skins directory and put there gotar.ini file:

Code:
[skin]
        description=GoTaR @PLD Linux

[Lines]
        lefttop=
        righttop=
        centerbottom=
        leftbottom=
        rightbottom=
        rightmiddle=
        centermiddle=
        horiz=
        vert=
        thinhoriz=
        thinvert=

[core]
        _default_=lightgray;black
        selected=white;blue
        marked=brightred;
        markselect=yellow;
        gauge=;yellow
        input=brightgreen;
        reverse=brightgreen;blue

[dialog]
        _default_=brightcyan;blue
        dfocus=brightred;black
        dhotnormal=brightred;
        dhotfocus=yellow;black

[error]
        _default_=white;red
        errdhotnormal=yellow;
        errdhotfocus=yellow;blue

[filehighlight]
        directory=brightcyan;
        executable=brightgreen;
        symlink=red;
        stalelink=yellow;blue
        device=green;
        special=brightblue;
        core=red;
        temp=gray;
        archive=cyan;
        doc=brown;
        source=green;
        media=white;
        graph=magenta;
        database=;

[menu]
        _default_=brightgreen;black
        menuhot=brightred;
        menusel=brightcyan;blue
        menuhotsel=yellow;
        menuinactive=lightgray;

[help]
        _default_=brightred;black
        helpitalic=brightcyan;
        helpbold=brightgreen;
        helplink=white;
        helpslink=yellow;blue

[editor]
        _default_=lightgray;black
        editbold=yellow;blue
        editmarked=brightgreen;red
        editwhitespace=brightblue;blue
        editlinestate=brightgreen
        bookmark=white;red
        bookmarkfound=black;green

[viewer]
        viewunderline=brightgreen;black

[buttonbar]
        hotkey=lightgray;black
        button=white;blue
Then try mc -S gotar command. If that will fail copy gotar.ini file to your /home/godoten directory and try mc -S /home/godoten/gotar.ini command.

[EDIT]
Unfortunately Web site can't display properly some special characters so the frames in Midnight Commander using copied above skin will be spoiled. But if the experiment I suggest you to perform will succeed you could download the version of Midnight Commander including skins and use them in your system.

The alternative method is to use mc -a switch to replace graphical lines with |, – and + characters. (I found that information at the very beginning of man mc.)
[/EDIT]

Last edited by w1k0; 12-22-2010 at 05:04 PM.
 
Old 12-22-2010, 06:56 PM   #32
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Wink Humble pie @~#"%`xxx**

Dear Friends,

I am happily astonished with the meticulous organization of "Knoppix". I could
not try "hard disk install" but "Flashmemory install" of the pop up menu. Started
up with the USB install. And I found the package manager is fantastic. I could
immediately "scim" installed together with all the dependencies through Net. If I
started with LiveCD I have no need to touch xxxxxdi at all but can install anything,
...even amateur radio packages! I must shut my big-mouth-frog for good.

I have learned so much so quick in a matter of a week with your friendly helps.
I thank you and apology to anyone I might have offended with my million blue
blistering barnacle! I now more so want to try to install the Knoppix live CD on
to my hard disk. ( )

Dear w1k0, Yet again thank you for the kind help. I never thought "mc" has
got such thing as skin capability. My prejudice! I can't do without this one. When
I have to be on windows for my music making I use the one called "2xExplroer"
which is a kind of "mc on GUI", (F5 & F6 works in the same way). It's "location
window" become Dos command input. It's very good. I couldn't do without this
neither. Btw, I have stacked with "windows-XP" with same reason as how I
am with SuSE-10.2(This one is a state of art, in my opinion!).


"Long Live!", all the friends of "the Positive Thoughts",---godoten( humble pie )

Last edited by godoten; 12-22-2010 at 07:25 PM.
 
Old 12-23-2010, 12:58 AM   #33
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Hello,

Glad to hear you got it working somehow. Be sure to keep an eye on the Knoppix website. I'm sure there will be a newer release available soon. If not, then contact me through PM and I'll see what I can do to make it available for download to you on one of my servers.

Kind regards,

Eric
 
Old 12-23-2010, 04:43 AM   #34
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Wink "Merry Christmas!"

Dear w1k0,

I have found the mc's "skin" on the knoppix as you say. I don't know how
they appeared on my computer are what they suppose to be, I also tried
on SuSE-10.2's mc and myself compiled "mc-4.6.1" your instructions, but
it doesn't seems to work. The help screen shows up as below. It may be
the case that I couldn't follow your instructions correctly, though. But as it
says "-S: unknown option", this version is not equipped with the function?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
godo:~ # mc -S gotar
Usage: mc [flags] [this_dir] [other_panel_dir]

-h, --help Displays this help message
-V, --version Displays the current version
-x, --xterm Forces xterm features
-d, --nomouse Disable mouse support in text version
-t, --termcap Tries to use termcap instead of terminfo
-k, --resetsoft Resets soft keys on HP terminals
-s, --slow To run on slow terminals
-a, --stickchars Use stickchars to draw
-b, --nocolor Requests to run in black and white
-c, --color Request to run in color mode
-C, --colors=ARG Specifies a color configuration
-H, --help-colors Displays a help screen on how to change the color
scheme
-l, --ftplog=ARG Log ftp dialog to specified file
-D, --debuglevel=ARG Set debug level
-f, --datadir Print data directory
-P, --printwd=ARG Print last working directory to specified file
-U, --subshell Enables subshell support (default)
-u, --nosubshell Disables subshell support
-v, --view=ARG Launches the file viewer on a file
-e, --edit=ARG Edits one file
+number Set initial line number for the internal editor

Please send any bug reports (including the output of `mc -V')
to mc-devel@gnome.org
GNU Midnight Commander 4.6.1
-S: unknown option
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On my SuSE-10.2's "urxvt" with a little .sh file as below, I tried with
your `mc -b`. The both option on `myterm.sh` show up nice. It is for
my 1920x1080 screen. I like it! With the "urxvt"'s background color
your `mc -b` is transparent!

## < myterm.sh > ##-------------------------------------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh
urxvt -cr yellow -fn 10x20 -geometry 86x34 -bg rgb:27/36/27 -fg white &
# urxvt -cr cyan -fn 10x20 -geometry 86x34 -bg rgb:9a/af/a9 -fg black &
##-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

As I am a little fussy about appearance of things I work with, have tweeked
the frame generally to thick "midgrey & dark ultramarine(high lighted)" as well.

*** Thanks Eric! ***

"Merry Christmas!", to all the friends of "positive thoughts"---godo( )
 
Old 12-23-2010, 10:15 AM   #35
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But as it says "-S: unknown option", this version is not equipped with the function?
It seems you have to install some other version of Midnight Commander. You could compile it from the source.

You reported you use SuSE 10.2. Assuming you mean openSUSE the current version is 11.3 so your system is slightly obsolete. In such case you could consider system’s upgrade.

I don’t know SuSE nor openSUSE but LinuxQuestion.org has a section dedicated to Suse/Novell. So you could ask there a question about mc -S switch.

Unfortunately openSUSE isn’t so popular as Ubuntu or Linux Mint. It’s much easier to gain some information about these more popular distributions. So you could consider to switch from SuSE to Ubuntu or Linux Mint.

When novice asks me what distribution he or she have to choose I advice Linux Mint. It offers carefully selected applications so it’s light and relatively easy. As for Midnight Commander it’s possible to install it after the installation of the system.

The current Linux Mint 10 Julia is here. Choose the standard version respectively 32- or 64-bit. Don’t omit to download and read “Linux Mint 10 User Guide”.

So you have a plenty of possibilities. Now everything is a matter of choice.
 
Old 12-24-2010, 12:59 PM   #36
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Wink W-1-KO made my Happy Christmas!

Thank you W-1-KO,

So many people works on linux is the promise for the bright future of the Earth world?
So many and next to impossible to try them all? However, if people start to live
long, time is not restriction. I may even become well acquainted with the subject.

Mean while I am trying to install the Knoppix-6.2-CD to my hard disk, but this
turn out to be a bit of a challenge(for me). While offered "USB install" works
very well I feel it is a bit silly thing to do, though. I'm going to try "The current Linux
Mint 10 Julia" later. Hearing your "Don’t omit to download and read “Linux Mint
10 User Guide”" made my Happy Christmas. ( )

"Merry Christmas and Happy New Year!", to everyone---godoten ( )

Last edited by godoten; 12-24-2010 at 01:07 PM.
 
Old 12-25-2010, 06:54 AM   #37
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Thumbs up I've done it!

Thank you dear Linus72,

I have done it with your guide! I have realized that I needed to change a little
the instructions you have kindly given to me here. I have worked from booted
"/" system of USB-install. ( :newb: xxx?x..!!! )

As the most of directories(bin,boot,etc,lib,root,sbin,usr,var) were linked to
another directory called "UNIONFS" on "/" ,I needed to make those directories
with -p option first. There were another directory called "KNOPPIX" on "/" to
and from which various links were made. The both of them had their own "/"
file system to confuse my novice brain. But after many try and error, I could
see how important the "-p" option of `mkdir` in your instruction were.

So I did:

mkdir -p bin
mkdir -p boot
mkdir -p etc
mkdir -p lib
mkdir -p root
mkdir -p sbin
mkdir -p usr
mkdir -p var

Then:

cp -R --preserve /UNIONFS/bin/* /target/bin
cp -R --preserve /UNIONFS/boot/* /target/boot
cp -R --preserve /UNIONFS/etc/* /target/etc
cp -R --preserve /UNIONFS/lib/* /target/lib
cp -R --preserve /UNIONFS/root/* /target/root
cp -R --preserve /UNIONFS/sbin/* /target/sbin
cp -R --preserve /UNIONFS/usr/* /target/usr
cp -R --preserve /UNIONFS/var/* /target/var

And: modified fstab & mtab you gave to me to suit my install partition.

I am very pleased with this Knoppix-CD system. It is very crispy first!
When the desktop start-up it says " " with reverbed girl's voice. This
means I can put any audio clip if I wish for the start-up? Only if I could
find where it is installed in what audio format, then even without knowing
how it is done? I am going to find out how it is done later alone.

Btw: Dear w1k0, It was "Open SUSE-10.2" I think.

"Happy New Year!", to every one---godoten ( )
 
Old 12-26-2010, 09:30 AM   #38
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Lightbulb The secret of novice (part-1):

Dear w1k0 and Friends,

I can't thank you enough for your kindness and torerance to my big mouth
frog. I feel like I have got many good friends here. I know the true goodness
of your advice "to read manuals". I have an experience of being given a great
teaching from a young master violinist long time ago. He said "when you can
hold your instrument you have mastered the instrument". I knew, at the first
instance despite of that I don't play violin. it was "the true master's teaching".
And I hear your advice as "the same kind". That is why I am writing this.

Why there are so many of us novices, do you think? How should you define
the novice? I tell you that the novice are by definition "who does not read the
manuals".( ) It is more paticularly so when the manual are not written for
the learners with true kind cares. If you give toy to children they would never
read manuals but play with it and very quickly become expert player of the toy?
Some may put the toy to pieces just for the sake of doing so. And in doing so
some may become expert about the working of the toy as well?

I guess, in the early days of computer development many princes got computers
and many of them become novice, other than some of bigger princes who had
true experts of the subject next to them and quickly became experts hobbyists.
Are you not one of them? Those novices and the experts have formed the ground
for modern computing affairs? Some of the ex-novice experts went to businesses
and others went out of businesses. And the least capable ones become teachers?
Here you can see why the later novice never read tutorials nor manuals? They
often say thing like "I TEACH you this and that in next chapter!"...to put good
children off the class room. You don't show things you know to your own children
like that, do you? Certainly would not charge your children the fee for it, would
any daddy?

The novice of now days go on happily making great mess of their computer systems,
and some of them may become future experts to come up with the computing affair
of different kinds? In the near future we surely shall need semi-automatic "computer
government"? Why? If the government is for everyones good, then there would be
no need of arguments, but automated equal distribution system of the wealth of
the Earth and good people's efforts? A software "the Government" is required?
Someone can write it with friends "for the civilized state of the Earth world" as
"The (regional) Government" and "The (central) Government"? We love to do
shopping with our pocket money so there is a need for the system of money
issuance. But for "the Government", wealth to be distributed should be measured
as amounts of the true goods, then no need for money as number in any way?
The monetary system would be a consequent out-come of the system of "the
Government" for the convenience of the distribution of the things of great variety
to individual persons for their fun of choosing(shopping)?

The truth make foundation of the logic for that are:

*) The Earth and it's products are no private person's property but what the
Nature provide for everyone. ("You can plant a seed and watch it grow yet
never can grow the plant" is a fact? Who's seeds is it? Who's soil is it? If it is
not of the Nature itself which grows them? It is the miracle anything anyone
just exist and be functional as they are also the things grow as they do?)
*) Everyone is equal.(The base for the concept "Fair or Un-fair" or "Good or Bad".)
*) The Nature's wish is "Everyone to be happy with the gifted life's being" in sharing
"what the Nature and good peoples efforts provide" in peace.
*) "Bad or no good thing shall die out" is the Law of the Nature.

Any ones volantire and do it in quiet for the time it would be wanted? Linux is the
most suitable system? It won't be for monetary gain such as miserable thing but
for the fun of doing "Good" for everyone on Earth? I think so, don't you?

"Happy New Year!"
, all the friends of "the Positive Thoughts",---godoten( )

Last edited by godoten; 12-26-2010 at 09:32 AM.
 
Old 12-27-2010, 06:53 PM   #39
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Lightbulb The secret of novice (part-2):

( ) Dear Friends,

While in trying "Adriane-knoppix" on Knoppix-CD I found it can read out everything
on screen with synthesized voice? If you can do this so effectively then judges and
their court houses can be made obsolete? After all, the fundamental reason for any
judgment in such as seeking justice(not for injustice) should be referenced to the
simple fact of fair(good) or not-fair(bad)? Then there never would be need for such
judicial system as such in existence(is for un-just minority's interest for their selfish
wish to against the Law of the Nature?) is the fact of the matter?

In the coming civilized Earth world, as no one would be un-just or un-fair for own
eternal life's chance sake such thing could be made to children's software toys for
their computer? Also "the Teacher for life"? There would not be need for such trick
legalese but a few hundreds words would be more than adequate to answer for
the any truly wanted answers for possible questions children may ask? It can't be
as difficult as some of sophisticated software electronics circuit simulators which
could come up with precise working conditions of any possible circuits made of
known parts? Or 22 players responses to the movement of a football?

You can write "Judge and Teacher" as "One person" of all kinds of characteristic wits
and wisdom like you can find in many comic stories, for PS-3 or X-Box to make big
hits? Not much actions are necessary so that you can tweak the subtle details of the
character's movements or expressions in 3D?

# If you only see what you have got is a mighty gift
# Come with the Knowing in your *heart without a word
#
# If you only "hear the Truth" ringing in your *heart
# You should only Be happy for you are still Alive
#
# If you only care to share to live in peace in mind
# Be easy and simple and honest and fair to everyone... <---(bits of godo's song)
#
# *heart <== hear-T(ruth)

Dear w1k0,

I have tried the "Mint-10-julia-liveCD" and found it very nice. After I find out "how-to"
of knoppix's "speech-dispatcher" I may move onto "Linux-Mint". But I haven't got "scim"
working on knoppix yet. I haven't even set correct key-map for my gb-key-board at the
moment. Btw: I have downloaded "Mint-manual" and quickly looked through just to stay
the same puzzled novice! ( )

"Happy New Year!" to all the friends of the Positive Thought,---godoten ( )

Last edited by godoten; 12-27-2010 at 06:54 PM.
 
Old 12-27-2010, 11:48 PM   #40
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Why not try Simply Mepis? It is equally at home as a live CD or DVD as it is for permanent installation to the hard drive. Hardware compatibility is also quite good.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 12:20 PM   #41
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Thumbs up I've got "Arch" to try next!

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Why not try Simply Mepis?
Dear mdlinuxwolf,

I am putting the "Simply-Mepis" just after "Arch" (was suggested by MTK358)
on my try-list as well. Thanks for the suggestion. So many nice distros? I
love "linux" for so many people love and working on it! But how about the
super intrusive "killer vaccine B.Gate's MS" come-in to check your computer
as soon as you switch it on? Could they go on like that in future? I don't
think so, do you?---godoten( )

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But how about the
super intrusive "killer vaccine B.Gate's MS" come-in to check your computer
as soon as you switch it on? Could they go on like that in future? I don't
think so, do you?---godoten( )
I don't understand that.
 
Old 12-29-2010, 07:01 PM   #43
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upgrades and linux

If you have SuSE or Open SuSE and like it, the best thing to do is upgrade. Be sure to make sure that your multimedia (livna) repositories are kept intact.

Switching distros of Linux is a bit of a chore. You have to (at minimum) back up /home for your old distro. Then, you do a clean install of your new distro and restore everything back to the new distro.

Hopefully, you saved all of your .rpm and tar.gz files for programs or applications you installed. Guess what?, its time to reinstall again. If you didn't save them, time to run around the whole Internet like an idiot to find them all over again.

Of course, the applications you saved might not even work for the new distro, forcing you to find a different version anyway.

I have nothing against Knoppix, but it is a pretty barebones distro, not unlike Puppy or DSL.

SuSE and Mepis offer many more options and are much larger in size then Knoppix. Even if you start with a minimal install, you can always go up to a more full featured install later. Unless you have an old machine with a very small hard drive, go with a full sized distro. After all, its better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.

Fedora, especially the KDE spins, is also worth investigating if you want to switch distros. Most of the .rpm applications work flawlessly. SuSE would occassionly have problems with .rpm apps which didn't appear to be corrupt or damaged.
 
Old 12-31-2010, 02:33 PM   #44
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Angry The vaccination was "to infect" not "to prevent"!

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I don't understand that.
Dear MTK358,

On a PC with Win2000Pro installed, I had a "InteligentGuard"(or something like that)
installed. It pops screens up as soon as something want to connect to the PC and
asks if I "allow it or not". With the experience I have learned "MicroSoft" come-in to
check your computer as soon as you switch it on". Why I call B.Gate as "killer vaccine"
is that He put HIV virus in their "(so claimed)vaccine against the HIV" to infect millions of
African people. You might have head he was donating $100milion for health care of
African people? But the vaccination was "to infect" not "to prevent", did you not know?
He even said on TV, "vaccine is good to kill people..." or something of that effect!?( )
Or are they all are rumours?

"Happy New Year!", to every one---godoten ( )

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