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Old 02-08-2012, 07:31 PM   #1
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Install Ubuntu from slave hard drive


Hello,

I have been reading around for a few hours now and I'm kinda coming up short.

Here's my problem.. A friend asked me to help him with his PC, it appears kinda old, an HP Pavillion 4550Z using windows 98. It was trashed I tried everything and nothing worked so the only option was to wipe it out and start over, except I do not have an operating system.

I have Ubuntu on a flash drive but his BIOS does not appear to allow booting from USB.

I was hoping for a way to put the Ubuntu install onto a slave hard drive and boot from it to install onto the master drive. (slave drive would act like the CD)

Can anyone point me in a direction to do that? I am using windows XP.

Thanks in advance.
 
Old 02-08-2012, 08:14 PM   #2
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Asuming his computer cant boot from a CD You can try to remove the hard drive, put the hard drive in a different computer and install a resources friendly operating system. If you want a Ubuntu base try Lubuntu, or Xubuntu, or perhaps Bodhi Linux. Then remove the hard drive and put it back into his PC case,

I dont think his computers graphic card will handle Unity, Gmone Shell or KDE so go easy with the Graphical User Interface.

Good luck to you.
 
Old 02-08-2012, 08:15 PM   #3
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I know this doesn't exactly answer your question, but booting from a CD is out? It may be quicker to borrow a computer and burn the ISO then anything else... though I'm wondering if there is trouble with an optical drive since you don't mention the Windows 98 disc being a possibility (though it is a long time to have kept it around!).
 
Old 02-08-2012, 08:19 PM   #4
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Here you have answer how to install Ubuntu from hard drive. You have also option to start installation from network if your laptop support booting from network.
 
Old 02-08-2012, 09:01 PM   #5
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Does this computer have a floppy drive, because I've run accross a few that had to have floppy support for cd drive.
 
Old 02-10-2012, 12:32 AM   #6
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No to the 98 CD, To be honest I wouldn't want to use it if I had it seeing as its no longer supported. Yes the PC has a floppy drive, kinda shows its age.

When installing from a hard drive, does it have to have an operating system on it? I mean it has to be bootable right? Can I use a backup XP drive?

The drive I will be installing to doesn't have a thing on it, its just formatted so I don't think I will be able to download any files, do I just put the Ubuntu ISO image in C:\boot or something like that after I extract the 2 files needed to boot?

Sorry for all the questions.

Thanks.
 
Old 02-10-2012, 02:03 AM   #7
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If your system doesn't boot from cd this will load the drivers for cd support.
http://rescup.winbuilder.net/bootdisk/
 
Old 02-10-2012, 03:17 AM   #8
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Here's my problem.. A friend asked me to help him with his PC, it appears kinda old, an HP Pavillion 4550Z using windows 98. It was trashed I tried everything and nothing worked so the only option was to wipe it out and start over, except I do not have an operating system.
You wont be able to install ubuntu on that system. Here is the specs-

http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/d...&product=58760

Celeron 466, 64MB RAM standard, 256MB max RAM.

Here is the ubuntu recommended minimum hardware specs-

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Recommended Minimum System Requirements
1 GHz CPU (x86 processor (Pentium 4 or better))
1 GiB RAM (system memory)
15 GB of hard-drive space (or USB stick, memory card or external drive but see LiveCD for an alternative approach)
800 by 600 screen resolution
Either a CD/DVD drive or a USB port for the installer media
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/In...emRequirements

Ubuntu will not even install on a256MB system with the standard CD.

You _might_ be able to install lubuntu or xubuntu, if you have 256MB of RAM (not if its lower). But IMO they will run horribly on a 466MHz CPU and 256MB RAM systems.

Post your system specs, and you should get some suggestions for dsitros that will run at least O.K. with the hardware.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 06:10 PM   #9
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That sucks, well it doesn't look like the system has been upgraded in any way besides a couple of modems and a network card, so the specs are likely to be the same as in the link you posted. It only shows 130MB of ram tho so that's not good.

The system won't be used for much other than simple web browsing, I think I will advise him to start looking for a new PC but I would at least like to give him something to use in the meantime, if at all possible.

I think I'll scrap the installing from a hard drive idea for now and find a friend to burn me a CD. Is there a minimal distribution I can download?

Thanks.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 06:18 PM   #10
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Is there a minimal distribution I can download?

Thanks.
There is a big list
Budhi Linux
Vector Linux
Puppy Linux
Damn Small Linux (DMS)
Tiny Core Linux
Heck you can even try Lubuntu and many more.

I had mentioned in my previous reply that you can put his hard drive in another computer and install the OS there then you can put back the hard drive with the OS already installed. It had worked for me that way before but I understand each computer is different.

Good luck to you!

Last edited by TroN-0074; 02-11-2012 at 06:22 PM.
 
Old 02-11-2012, 06:46 PM   #11
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Thanks for the quick response.. is there one particular distribution you would recommend? He has never used linux before, are some more user friendly than others etc?

Would hardware issues not arise from installing using another computer?
 
Old 02-11-2012, 07:42 PM   #12
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Lubuntu and Budhi Linux are base on Ubuntu. Ubuntu is known for being user friendly and for working right out of the box, so chances are these derivates are also user friendly however you can go to their web site and read what they suggest there.

http://bodhilinux.com/
http://lubuntu.net/

Here are the links to the entries on distro watch
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=bodhi
http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=lubuntu

Good luck to you!
 
Old 02-12-2012, 04:06 AM   #13
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There is a big list
Budhi Linux
Vector Linux
Puppy Linux
Damn Small Linux (DMS)
Tiny Core Linux
Heck you can even try Lubuntu and many more.
Damn Small Linux is shortened to DSL. There hasnt beena new version since 2008. It would probably work since its older hardware, but I wouldnt use DSL.

Vector, Puppy or Tiny Core is what I would use on that machine. I'd probably try vector 1st, if you find that too slow try one of the others.

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Lubuntu and Budhi Linux are base on Ubuntu. Ubuntu is known for being user friendly and for working right out of the box, so chances are these derivates are also user friendly however you can go to their web site and read what they suggest there.
With older hardware, its almost certain that any farily current linux version will work 'out of the box'. You dont need a *buntu.

I havent used bodhi, I have used lubuntu on 192-256MB systems. From what I experienced, I wouldnt try lubuntu or bodhi on a 128MB system. There is even a semi-warning about small memory sizes on the lubuntu site-

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Minimum requirements for lubuntu are comparable to Pentium II or Celeron systems with a 128 Mb RAM configuration, which may yield a slow yet usable system with lubuntu.
http://lubuntu.net/news
 
  


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