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Old 05-15-2018, 05:59 PM   #1
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Hello dear ones
I'm really excited joining this forum.
I'd like to ask how do install medias of the gnu-linux distros generally work. I'd like a detailed explanation like what's in them, how they are build from what part of source code and what else the answer-er would find relevant.
Thank you.
 
Old 05-15-2018, 06:39 PM   #2
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Hello dear ones
I'm really excited joining this forum.
I'd like to ask how do install medias of the gnu-linux distros generally work. I'd like a detailed explanation like what's in them, how they are build from what part of source code and what else the answer-er would find relevant.
Thank you.
That breaks down to about seven hours worth of discussion and detail just to start. I recommend you search for LFS (Linux From Scratch) and Knoppix and do a bit of reading. That should get you on the way to refine your questions so that they can be answered during our lifetimes.

As a start, not all distribution install media work the same, and in fact there are a LOT of answers to the install problem out there. Some of them are not even INTENDED to actually install!

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Old 05-15-2018, 08:40 PM   #3
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You can visit various distros' websites to see what the distros contain. For the mainstream distros, that information is pretty well documented. You can also do a web search for "[distro name] reviews"; that should turn up some useful information. A tutorial on that topic, as wpeckham pointed out, is well beyond the scope and intent of a question-and-answer forum.

You should find a lot of your questions addressed at the LQ Wiki.

Two other good resources are the Arch Wiki and the Lifewire (used to be about.com) Linux pages.

As for how to install, if I'm installing to bare metal, I burn a CD/DVD from the installation *.iso file and boot to it. If I'm installing to a VirtualBox VM, I use the *.iso file as if it were a CD/DVD. Most distro have installation guides on their websites.

Generally, Linux users seldom compile from sources (Slackware users are the exception), but rather find the software they need in the distro's repositories.

Welcome to LQ.

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Old 05-16-2018, 09:12 AM   #4
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If you want to study installers, try 'Debian installer' and 'Anaconda'.
 
Old 05-16-2018, 02:32 PM   #5
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Hello and welcome to LQ.

A disto may have an included installer but not always. That installer would allow a person or automated deployment of the OS.

Not sure any install is identical. They range from basic text answer sheets or gui presentations or automated script following. They all try to do what is told of them. To copy some form of data to some storage.

Almost every distro has a web site that should provide you with the info as to what is included but not always. A general write up at distrowatch.com has basic info.

Every disto is supposed to provide either the source or the place one might get the source.
 
Old 05-16-2018, 08:06 PM   #6
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That breaks down to about seven hours worth of discussion and detail just to start. I recommend you search for LFS (Linux From Scratch) and Knoppix and do a bit of reading. That should get you on the way to refine your questions so that they can be answered during our lifetimes.

As a start, not all distribution install media work the same, and in fact there are a LOT of answers to the install problem out there. Some of them are not even INTENDED to actually install!
I liked the direction you pointed to, thanks. I'd like to for example understand why can I create a bootable installer thumb drive with dd but not with cp, this really makes me curious about inner workings and byte structure of an installer
 
Old 05-16-2018, 08:42 PM   #7
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You could start by reading up on what booting actually is and how it works - its quite a big topic in itself.
 
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Old 05-16-2018, 08:53 PM   #8
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You could start by reading up on what booting actually is and how it works - its quite a big topic in itself.
Yes I was starting to get to that conclusion myself. that's what I'm doing right now.
 
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'cp' copies files. There are parts of a disk needed for booting that are not files. 'dd' copies bits. Everything needed for booting, plus everything else on a drive, is made of bits. So, dd copies the parts necessary for booting and all the files.

An iso file is really a file system in file format. It's original purpose was to store data CD disks in file format. But with hybrid booting within the iso, iso files can be written to USB flash drives and they will boot. But not all iso files are hybrid boot. If you use dd to write one of those to a USB drive it won't boot, because el torito boot (cd boot method) won't work from USB.
 
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