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Old 09-13-2003, 02:06 PM   #16
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If we are "paying the devil his dues" I too must admit that XP has only shown me 3 or 4 BSOD's and everytime it was due to something I certainly caused. It's been one of the most solid things I've ever put on my computer that doesn't have a *nix behind it's name (Or *BSD ).

Old 09-13-2003, 02:16 PM   #17
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It's been one of the most solid things I've ever put on my computer that doesn't have a *nix behind it's name (Or *BSD).

i believe microsoft's NT based systems borrowed quite a few ideas from *nix
Old 09-13-2003, 03:05 PM   #18
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Well, well boys and girls. I just came back from running an errand and when I left, RH9 was running its screen saver merrily. Upon my return, the system was locked up tighter than a , ummmm, drum. Caps Lock and Scroll Lock lights on the keyboard blinking away and nothing would bring it out of its catatonia. Is this a crash (gasp!)?
Old 09-13-2003, 03:13 PM   #19
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flashing caps/num/scroll lock lights is a pretty distinctive sign of a kernel panic. sounds to me like some sort of power management has kicked in and the bios and kernel arnt agreeing with each other. im afraid i know absolutly nothing about power management so i cant be of much help.
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what happens if you switch xawtv to grabdisplay rather than overlay before you move the window?
Pretty much the same.... maby I had to move it a few more times.

does it work in windows properly?
---Never had any problems with it in windows... never crashed the computer using MoreTV

are you using a binary driver for your video card or is it a standard xfree one.
---Its the standard xfree one.

do fbtv and streamer run without errors?
---I tried fbtv in gnome... I usually use fluxbox

[silvia@localhost silvia]$ fbtv
using linux console font "/lib/kbd/consolefonts/lat1-16.psfu.gz"
ioctl VT_GETSTATE: Invalid argument (not a linux console?)
[silvia@localhost silvia]$

if you have another machine, after it crashes can you ssh in and see what sort of state the machine is in.
--dont have another one

Moderator C ... I am a newbie and so am not really confident about saying that the computer is crashing for someone elses fault yet! I would have thought it more likely its my fault!


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Old 09-13-2003, 04:13 PM   #21
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sorry i assumed you knew fbtv has to be run in a virtual terminal not X. press Ctrl-Alt-F2, login and then run fbtv. did streamer work? it sounds like the problem is the capture card, not the video card. is it bttv based?

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Old 09-13-2003, 06:39 PM   #22
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Originally posted by wapcaplet
I doubt that anyone who has done any programming at all would make a claim like that
Perhaps the sarcasm was lost on you, but that was a joke.

I've noticed a trend in that one of Linux's weaknesses is in display. Video overlay tends to cause people problems, drivers can be hell to get, install, and configure properly. My debian test box boots up into a mode my 15" dell LCD can't even display, so I have to take it off that monitor and put it on a crappy compudyne 15" monitor that is older than....well its friggin old.

The only non display intensive application that I've managed to crash, though it didn't bring down the system, was redhat's samba configurator. Trying to set up the linux server in our office as a PDC, I opened and closed that thing like 50 times in about 4 hours. It finally gave up the ghost. I tried logging off to no avail. Then I rebooted the machine, and guess what... the hard drive's boot sector was corrupted and the damn thing wouldn't boot. What do you do at 3 AM on a Sunday when you need a HDD? You steal one from another machine. Forturnately the / partition on the drive was still good and I was able to mount it once I had the new drive freshly installed. It was a pain in the ass, but had I not completed the project by Monday at 7AM, I would have been unemployed.

Old 09-13-2003, 10:16 PM   #23
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Linux does crash - at least in my experience it's either blackbox, Xfree or (which I doubt) the kernel going bum up. 1 out of three times if I exit blackbox back to the console the keyboard becomes inoperable thus rendering a switch to an other screen to kill the process impossible, technically I guess it's the upper level software bombing out but it still results in a hard reboot, but yeah their is an equivalent of BSOD. Aslong as I don't try and go back to minus gui everythings cool, but yeah nothings perfect.


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