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Old 10-29-2013, 08:20 AM   #31
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In my vast, but to you no doubt irrelevant experience, there are certain development jobs where a GUI running as root is an advantage.
My imagination is quite limited in regards to that, so please elaborate which development jobs that are.

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I have no intention of giving reasons or making any other justification other than 'I find it useful'
So why have you even started this discussion when you don't want to participate?

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I have found a very disconcerting trend growing on various Fora that people demand to know why someone wants a piece of information and then pontificate on the validity of the reason. Usually with other Trolls saying that there is another way or you should not want to be doing this in the first place.
And you say that this is in any case the wrong thing to do?

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I grew up in a time when you asked for a piece of info and if someone had it they replied otherwise they kept their council to themselves. I have walked away from a number of Fora for this very reason, lets hope I do not have to add this one to the ever growing list.

You may have noticed I have not asked any questions on this forum, and I doubt if I ever will.
That is up to you. I see no point in starting a discussion and then refusing to give the reasons for your opinion either, that doesn't make me leave a forum.
 
Old 10-29-2013, 08:27 AM   #32
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Advice for or against something is meaningless without reasons.
In the context given reasons are irrelevant as information is requested not advice.

Let me try to explain with a non Linux example.

I asked on a Photography forum if anyone had any experience with point and shoot cameras with viewfinders.
I explained that 99% of all P&S cameras used the back screen for composing the picture and I did not like that. I wanted one with a viewfinder and was finding them difficult to find.

Most of the response were either why did I dislike using the big screen as it was superior to a viewfinder or IWas wrong to want a viewfinder as the big screen was superior.

As far as I am concerned those responders were Trolls. They questioned my need for the information, told me I was wrong and did not supply the required answer.

I hope this helps.
 
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Old 10-29-2013, 08:32 AM   #33
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That is up to you. I see no point in starting a discussion and then refusing to give the reasons for your opinion either, that doesn't make me leave a forum.
I did not start the discussion, only responded to it.

If you do not understand why I am disappointed in being grilled and pontificated at instead of receiving the information requested I am in the wrong place!
 
Old 10-29-2013, 08:35 AM   #34
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Talking

Somebody dropped this:

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Old 10-29-2013, 09:14 AM   #35
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...Using kdesu (or similar programs) is the same as running as root..
I'm aware of that, don't you think . When I use kdesu I have one "timebomb" with root privileges mixed with a bunch of "normally privileged" other programs. Ahmm, which was the window with the root-program just now -> error prone.

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...Change the KDE theme for root to something different, for example with a red background or red borders, so you can't mix up the different windows.
Good idea, I'll have a look at that.

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Old 10-29-2013, 04:17 PM   #36
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At the moment, two different things are being discussed. Opening a file manager as root for a few operations is different than running the entire GUI as root, and, for extended periods.
 
Old 10-29-2013, 04:25 PM   #37
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not if you mess something up
 
Old 10-29-2013, 05:08 PM   #38
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At the moment, two different things are being discussed. Opening a file manager as root for a few operations is different than running the entire GUI as root, and, for extended periods.
that's hijacking - perhaps we need a moderator to keep this on track
 
Old 10-29-2013, 05:19 PM   #39
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that's hijacking - perhaps we need a moderator to keep this on track
No, it is not. I specifically asked for a valid reason to run a whole GUI as root and have given advice for the reasons that came up how they can be avoided. If you feel that this thread needs moderator action feel free to report it, so that a moderator (which won't be me, by the way) can have a look at it.

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Old 10-29-2013, 06:03 PM   #40
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Have you not been paying attention Tobi? It is highjacking, because he says it is. He does not need to give reasons or make any other justification, other than state it as so. Get with the programme.
 
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Old 10-29-2013, 06:26 PM   #41
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Oh noez, i got caught in a necrorape!

Well, it can happen to anyone, i guess.
 
Old 10-29-2013, 06:41 PM   #42
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Couldn't you also merge your .Xauthority on a virtual terminal and just run apps from konsole as root instead of completely logging in as that user? I think that's suggested by alien bob during kernel building for the purposes of using make xconfig. You really don't ever have to actually log into KDE as root. Buuuut there's a /usr/share/config/kdm/kdmrc file in kde4 that has an option that tells kdm not to allow root logins. Just change it to true. Its your system, do what you want.


Sorry, I didn't read the second page so I posted something someone else already did. My mistake.

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Old 10-30-2013, 04:49 AM   #43
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It's always the same with this subject. Temperaments and feelings running high. Obviously a sensitive and subjective issue. Perhaps somebody might try a search how often this topic was broached, controversely discussed in epic dimensions and no commen resolution reached just on LQ. Ah well, have fun everyone .
 
Old 10-30-2013, 05:15 AM   #44
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Why do people feel a need to argue in a thread that is over 4 years old? It was resurected (in post 14) 2 years after the last post, then sporadically for a few months until ppst 19 and now all of a sudden its' on for young and old (noobs and mega experienced) all over again. There are more post in the last 24 hours in this thread than in the previous 4 years. Well done ncmoody you executed a thread dig of 20 months no less called someone arrogant and have caused a furore
 
Old 10-30-2013, 06:09 AM   #45
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I agree that the thread should not have been resurrected. In fact, I posted a criticism of the action immediately after it happened. However, when people give bad advice, especially dangerous advice, it is appropriate to counter it. Regardless if the people doing it are ignorant or are trolls. If left unchecked, there could be consequences.
 
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