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Old 06-30-2003, 11:43 PM   #1
ironz
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i'm right or not?


Now i'm frustrated , why because somes compagnies don't distribute the linux drivers...

Read this message i wrote to viewsonic an give my an opignon:

hi,
There's is a problem with my kp202 office keyboard.
The bundled software from viewsonic for my keyboard don't support linux?

Where i can find the redhat linux 9 drivers, because there no drivers for linux in ur download section.

If you don't have the drivers , explain why you don't make linux driver for the keyboard?

------The Moral Section-----

There's the problem from somes compagnies refuse to make linux drivers for their products..They all said , it's difficult to write a linux driver....NO, it's easy, like C programing like windows kernel!!!!!
So don't be an anti-linux or an anti-free-OS.
Why u choose Mac os and windows ??? because both , we must pay with the customers cash!!!

I'm right or not?

please feel free to comment this message

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Old 06-30-2003, 11:55 PM   #2
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English is not your native language, right? See if you can a division for whatever your native language is, becaue they might not be so simpathetic if they think you're some kid with bad grammer.

I completly agree with you though. Writing drivers for linux is probobly the easiest OS to write for, because of the openness of it. I always think companies should offer linux drivers, but call them "beta" or "unsupported" so they can't be held too responsible. Because I can understand them not wanting to have to deal with the thousands of unique problems people could have because of the diversity of linux distributions.
 
Old 07-01-2003, 12:02 AM   #3
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The least they could do is release some kind of specification that makes it easier to write a driver. If they don't, they deserve to be harassed and boycotted.

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Old 07-01-2003, 12:10 AM   #4
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humm u find my terrible secret...
english is not my native languange
Quebec French is my native language.

LOL? all compagnies have a support in english but rarely in french.
It's why i must talk english.

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Old 07-01-2003, 12:56 AM   #5
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Well, just be sure to mention in the beginning that English isn't your native language.

We're all with you.
 
Old 07-01-2003, 01:33 AM   #6
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I'm sure this topic has been covered many times before, but it's not a clear cut case. Here's the condensed version of the threads I've read and participated in:

It costs money to pay someone to develop a driver. As a business, you must cater to your greatest client base since they are the ones paying most of the bills (and the employee salary). The fact is, the Windows user base vastly outnumbers the linux user base when it comes to consumer electronics. That means the driver for Windows will be developed first. Then maybe for Mac, and if we're lucky for Linux. They simply don't believe that the Linux community will generate the sales to cover driver development and testing.

Even though the kernel is open source and the community should be rich with code to start a driver with, that doesn't mean it will be simple. I do some work in hardware design. You might be surprised to know that the implementation of the Windows driver can actually influence how the hardware is designed. That's how manufacturers can squeeze more performance out of a product. The reason goes back to the first paragraph: the Windows user base is much bigger. So they tailor the product to those users.

Some companies (such as Lexmark) claim that their drivers give them competitive advantage, and as such cannot release a driver for Linux without giving away company secrets. I'd have to say this is one of the weakest arguments I've seen though. Why not release a binary? Nobody said the driver has to be distributed as source code.

Legally speaking, there is an implicit warranty/liability associated with labeling anything as a company product (including drivers) that cannot always be avoided. Even if a company states that something is a prototype or unstable, they can still be held liable for data loss in certain cases. Think along the same lines as the insane court case where a woman successfully sued McDonald's because her coffee was "too hot".

So, the only option we have is to politely request information from the manufacturers; either to develop a driver for us or provide the community with enough information to make the device functional. Once the Linux user base has grown substantially, then companies will sit up and take notice that they don't have a Linux driver. And depending on who you ask, the lynch pin for that to happen is making Linux "ready for the desktop."

So until this great, wise, and all-knowing entity proclaims Linux is ready for the desktop, I plan to continue asking for drivers and support the companies already providing Linux drivers whenever I can.
 
Old 07-01-2003, 02:01 AM   #7
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i know
i must be polite when requesting support but for this time, i was very angry!

Quote:
Originally posted by Dark_Helmet
That means the driver for Windows will be developed first. Then maybe for Mac, and if we're lucky for Linux. They simply don't believe that the Linux community will generate the sales to cover driver development and testing.
Are u trying to say that linux don't have future?

Well, if yes, why linux exist?
 
Old 07-01-2003, 08:07 AM   #8
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I get frustrated too sometimes, but actually, I didn't think there was anything wrong with your message. Some folks have posted "requests" for drivers that were downright hostile, and that doesn't help matters.

Yes, Linux most definitely has a future. That particular comment was only meant to illustrate that currently Windows users outnumber everybody else. Then Mac users probably outnumber Linux users (although I have no hard numbers to back up that claim). So, companies will work downward with regard to drivers: Windows then Mac then Linux

Once the user base begins to grow, Linux will move up that priority list.
 
Old 07-01-2003, 09:15 AM   #9
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i dont think mac users outnumber us i also dont have number to back me up but just an assumption cause i do not have a single friend who uses mac but i got 1 who uses linux anyway there was a movie remember a guy from the jail send letter to the goverment saying that he need some books at the end maybe we should create a bash script that will send mail to the hardware vendors with the help of cron and maybe we can get what we want int the future
 
Old 07-01-2003, 02:11 PM   #10
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You are right but linux take's time to grow.
I don't know why people prefer windows than linux.

ex: Mandrake Linux is simple to use ,open to everyone and it's free.

People pay 200$ for a Windows OS + ms office 300$ + photoshop 699$+Visual Studio .Net 599$ ....
+U must paid for a complete Support
Windows send all your works and document to microsoft database.
(When a msg error apear and u click Report error, all files opened i send to microsoft.)
+Lot of virus (u must buy an anti-virus)

Linux 0$ + Openoffice 0$ + programming tools 0$ + Professional Graphic tools 0$
Online complete documentation

Total for windows: 1800$
Total for linux: 0$!!!!

It's 100% free and downloadable

Why linux isn't in the lead?

Isn't logical..

I think people love bugs...

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Old 07-01-2003, 06:19 PM   #11
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...pplz like windows , like blue death of screen and auto reboot.
 
Old 07-01-2003, 07:14 PM   #12
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Linux don't lead

HI !
I'm a noob at linux that i've installed 1 month ago
I love it!

I think the reason there is more customers/users with Windows or Mac
is "marketing" strategy.
OK i'm on linux SuSE 8.2 now, but i have buyed windowsXP pro with my DELL 8200.
And if nobody tell me that Linux exists, i'll have continued with crosoft
The thing is to speak more and more of linuxOS
At this time i'm convincing my sister of the advantages of linux, making her photos and email reception works etc...
So she will forget Windows in a while
It's "mouth to ears" as we say in french
Now, my family neighbors etc.. know we have a lot of fun with linux
Helping your entourage to install it and Linux will lead soon!!!
Every one has to wear stickers of TUX on his bag or else to promot the thing
 
Old 07-01-2003, 07:42 PM   #13
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Maybe people should start sticking a Tux picture over that Designed for Windows sticker then when people see your laptop or desktop they will see Tux and Linux logo maybe with wording such as Designed For Linux I bet you that would get people talking.

Edit: Fogot to mention have you noticed in stores you are starting to see more hardware with the Linux Logo on it.

Roll on Linux !!!!

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Old 07-02-2003, 12:38 AM   #14
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My 2cents : Linux lead's the market, window$ is good for scrap
 
Old 07-02-2003, 03:36 AM   #15
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LINUX RULEZZZ

No it's the first time i hear that, so Tux is implementing itself on hardware
WELL DONE
 
  


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