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Old 03-25-2010, 01:23 AM   #1
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How to install applications


Okay... Linux Newbie here. I have been working with and around PC's for a few decades and have recently decided to look at Linux. I have to admit, Linux users seem to really love it and think its great.

I downloaded and created a LiveCD using PCLinuxOS 2009. Hey this looks pretty nice. Very stable too. I was surprised and curious. as I explored I decided I wanted to devote a machine to Linux so I could do more. I installed PCLinuxOS on one of my systems. Great... everything seems to be working pretty good. again, surprised and curious.

Lets install some apps and really get the ball rolling... *&^HO(*&^%

Oh, I'm sorry... what I meant to say is.. &%^&H&^%^O... oh... what do you mean... that doesn't make sense?

How on God's green earth do you install applications on Linux?

I am dumbfounded by the blatent and utter missing link here. No wonder there isn't a bigger following in the U.S. for Linux. You have to jump through hoops and travel to application managers, command line scripting and all sorts of other mess just to install a program? Are you kidding me?

Is it really that much different that a simple install or setup file cannot be created that the end user clicks on?

Help me with this... I'm struggling with the concept that entire programs can be written in open source code but an installation routine is beyond the scope of the developers.

Will someone please explain this to me?

Honestly speaking... there must be thousands of people a day that pick up Linux (Like me) for the first time... and turn around and set it right back down due to this ONE issue. Or is Linux just for people who WANT to program stuff?

If Linux is really expecting to make a dent in the general public market, shouldn't this have been addressed like... 10 years ago?

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Old 03-25-2010, 01:35 AM   #2
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I have not used the distribution you are using, but PCLinuxOS uses APT and synaptic for package management. You can use Synaptic to install softwares you want. Once you know how, you know it is going to be easier than windows. You dont have to do anything much. Just search for the package, and click on it to install. It will download from the internet and install it as well. You are DONE.
 
Old 03-25-2010, 01:40 AM   #3
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NOT...

If there is some step by step guide... that would be great. But dont sit there and tell me that all I have to do is click on a setup file and I'm done. LOLOL.

I have been screwing with this OS for 2 hours. There is not some simple click and install choice for installing an application.

Are you referring to Windows?

Seriously. Someone help me. Do i need to learn how to program in order to install applications?

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Old 03-25-2010, 01:44 AM   #4
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OK. Can you tell what do you want to install? Synaptic WILL install the package for you if that is there in the repositories. It should not be difficult. And I hope you have got the internet connection working on your Linux distribution. If not, then you will need to get it working first in order to download and install packages via Synaptic.
Also, can you tell how are you trying to install packages? Are you using pre-compiled packages or wanting to compile and install from source?
 
Old 03-25-2010, 01:46 AM   #5
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And please have patience. You have been dabbling with this distribution for 2 hours. Its not too long to understand and learn everything. Give some time.
 
Old 03-25-2010, 01:47 AM   #6
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Good lord man.... what did you just say?

That is my problem. I just want to download and install.. not compile and all that mess... what is synaptic?

Can I or can I not just download a file, unzip it... click setup and be done?

if yes.... then HOW... HOW MAN?
 
Old 03-25-2010, 01:51 AM   #7
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you know... maybe I will pick this back up another day.... I had no idea I was going to need to compile code and examine packages and all that just to install an application. I need simplicity... ease of use... user friendly wizards.

It's amazing that you guys hate Windows so much. It seems so much... well, simpler I think.
 
Old 03-25-2010, 01:56 AM   #8
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hi,
welcome to linux bud!! first off you 'll need to get used to using google and responding to your own post when someone needs input. next: if your using pclinux ( why?) try to just figure out what package manager it uses. in linux all aplications are installed via source, .deb, .rpm, .tar, ect... most of your modern distros use a package manager ( apt, yum, packman) to download, install(most check all dependencies as well), remove, and track software you have on your machine. i personally have not used pclinux. but if it does use apt you should first check out how your distro wants its software repositories configured.

START here pclinux setup and configuration
 
Old 03-25-2010, 02:01 AM   #9
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Yeah I have it installed... and it is working perfectly. That link is basically for the initial setup. I downloaded open office and thats when the world came to a complete stop. It opened the gz in front of my face and I was like... DUH.

How can I install open office?
 
Old 03-25-2010, 02:18 AM   #10
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ok. open office, doesnt that come preconfigured on pclinux? well anyways, something to consider: with linux its always better to use the packagemanager for your distro ( in your case synaptic ..which i believe is located under soft ware management or something like that in your distro). be patient with me and anyone else that is trying to help you. why? well in your case it may be point and click! you see with synaptic or most other package managers you search for a program ( open office for example) the package manager will check and see if it is already compiled for your distro.

use this to see if you have open office installed and just dont realize it:
Code:
soffice -writer
as i said b4: I HAVE NOT USED pclinux but google searches show it already has open office.
Code:
su -c 'synaptic'
use that code and let me know what you see.

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Old 03-25-2010, 02:27 AM   #11
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Well I already said PCLinuxOS uses Synaptic as a frontend for APT. And you need to use it to install packages. I do not know under which menu option you will find it but it should be somewhere in Administration.
You should try to find out where it is. I have given you the name. Just scroll through all the menu options you have got.
 
Old 03-25-2010, 02:35 AM   #12
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I hear you... and I validate that emotion. Really I do. But what on earth am I supposed to do with that code you sent. You said for me to "use it" but what does that mean? Am I supposed to be going to a command line reference somewhere? What exactly? Part of the problem being a newbie is that 87.5% of what you are telling me is complete greek...

Can anyone just give me a S T E P B Y S T E P guide for any of the suggestions that have been made?

I am a LONG TIME windows user. I have no clue as to what you are referring to half the time.

for example:

Click on xyz from the desktop and type in "JHJFHTY.exe" now you will see a dialogue box. browse to c: drive and look for so and so... blah blah...

I am not a linux guy AT ALL.
 
Old 03-25-2010, 02:36 AM   #13
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I have wasted enough of you guys time.... thanks for the help, and nevermind.
 
Old 03-25-2010, 02:44 AM   #14
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ok your choice. but calm down. you want step by step? then help us out and google a little bit about the problem first.

try googling opening a command prompt in PClinuxOS and see what you get. your a complete noobie which isnt bad...its cool. you just have to get used to the fact that a few hours isnt enough time to get adjusted to the system. I WILL not google all night to teach you the basics. I WILL help ou with the package install once you can figure out how to open a terminal. or at least click you start buton and look for SOFTWARE manager. good luck
 
Old 03-25-2010, 02:47 AM   #15
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It's pretty rare that I have posted this link anywhere, but rcr682k2, you may do very well to read this:
http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm

It is the infamous article "Linux is Not Windows".

It may help you to understand that when you are seeking help with your shiny new operating system, you need to FORGET a lot of the stuff that you are accustomed to from Windows, and open your mind a little, so that you can benefit from the advice and help that is offered. If you EXPECT for stuff to somehow magically work like you are used to it working, you will remain frustrated and disappointed. However, if you take the time to understand that what you are used to is not the way that everything else happens to be, you can come to enjoy what Linux has to offer.

Please, take the time to read that article.

You have been using Windows for a long time probably. And now, you have suddenly thrown a Linux OS at yourself, and expect stuff to be clickety-click and just like Windows. But it isn't.

Some people just cannot wrap their heads around this change. Most can however.

Anyhow, please review that article at your convenience.

Also, may I suggest that you *might* also like to try Ubuntu, in addition to PCLOS, and see if that appeals to you any better. I have no idea if OOO (OpenOffice) comes with Ubuntu by default either, but Ubuntu is renowned as very popular for newbies, and very 'Windows-Like' as far as pointy-clicky goes.

Kind regards, and welcome to LQ

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