How to change the keyboard layout (I have English-Russian set-up, Russian kbd wrong)

Wombat Pete · 05-02-2010, 07:02 PM

I have Debian running in Russian and English.
The Russian keyboard layout isn't the typewriter standard, which I know and much prefer to the one it gives me.

NOTE: I am NOT using KDE or gnome. (ratpoison is my windows manager.) I need to solve this via CLI-based solution, I want it to affect the keyboard I get both in ratpoison and in a basic CLI tty (when I'm not in X).

How do I do that?
Thanks in advance!

mark_alfred · 05-02-2010, 10:07 PM

I think "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" gives options to change the keyboard setting.

Wombat Pete · 05-02-2010, 10:09 PM

Presumably not for the non-X tty CLI consoles, though, right?

r-t · 05-03-2010, 04:56 AM

$ setxkbmap ru

I've not used ratpoison but I don't see from what I've checked on the web that setxkbmap should not work with it.

How you go on when you are not using an X server ... ?

Wombat Pete · 05-03-2010, 09:01 AM

ratpoison uses the X-server.

Wombat Pete · 05-03-2010, 09:47 AM

How do I use setxkbmap to set ONE variant of the keyboard layout for ONE of TWO installed languages?

$setxkbmap -ru-cp1251, for example, is accepted, but doesn't appear to change anything.

r-t · 05-03-2010, 10:29 AM

/usr/share/X11/xkb/rules/xorg.lst

Under:

! layout
...
...

...
...

phonetic ru: Phonetic
phonetic_winkeys ru: Phonetic Winkeys
typewriter ru: Typewriter
legacy ru: Legacy
tt ru: Tatar
os_legacy ru: Ossetian, legacy
os_winkeys ru: Ossetian, Winkeys
cv ru: Chuvash
cv_latin ru: Chuvash Latin
udm ru: Udmurt
kom ru: Komi
sah ru: Yakut
xal ru: Kalmyk
dos ru: DOS
bak ru: Bashkirian

So:

$ setxkbmap ru -variant typewriter

will give the typewriter variant of Russian.

r-t · 05-03-2010, 10:51 AM

One should perhaps point out that Gnome has an additional keyboard "layer" so that each application can be set to use a different keyboard. It also means that you don't lose things like Ctrl+C, Ctrl+X, Ctrl+V when you change the keyboard to a non-Roman alphabet.

Unless things have changed recently even KDE works directly on the setxkbmap settings.

Wombat Pete · 05-03-2010, 11:25 AM

Awesome, r-t... partially.
Yes, that changed the keyboard to the layout I wanted... after which I couldn't switch back to English in X and had to reboot.

BUT when I rebooted the computer and restarted X, it was back to where I started.

What I want is to preserve the option to switch between RU and EN, but I want to set the RU keyboard layout PERMANENTLY to 'typewriter'.

Wombat Pete · 05-03-2010, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by r-t

One should perhaps point out that Gnome has an additional keyboard "layer" so that each application can be set to use a different keyboard. It also means that you don't lose things like Ctrl+C, Ctrl+X, Ctrl+V when you change the keyboard to a non-Roman alphabet.

Unless things have changed recently even KDE works directly on the setxkbmap settings.

I do want this to work throughout X - especially, of course, in Writer and similar programs.

But, really - everywhere. Ideally, even in the non-X interface.

The most crucial thing, though, is to get it working in X, in word processing.

r-t · 05-03-2010, 12:04 PM

Well, of course, once you have typed:

$ setxkbmap us

or

$ setxkbmap gb

and

$ setxkbmap ru -variant typewriter

and any others into the command line, you can use the keyboard up-arrow to select which you want.

The other option is to edit xorg.conf (see, for example:

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/OmegaT/message/11593 ) and set it to toggle using specified keys.

But the "smoothest" option as far as I know is to use Gnome and set things up at Keyboard Preferences with a Keyboard Indicator in the desktop tray/panel. (Unless you are talking about Java applications!)

Wombat Pete · 05-03-2010, 12:14 PM

I set up Debian with the 2 kbds.
I did go into xorg.conf and saw a "variant" section in the section on the RU keyboard. I changed it to "typewriter"... but it doesn't work.
By which I mean that it shifts to the same Russian keyboard layout it had before.

r-t · 05-03-2010, 12:27 PM

Perhaps you put the variant in brackets as here:

http://www.daemonforums.org/showthread.php?t=1830

My xorg.conf on Fedora however has no keyboard information in it at all – it just seems to be used to set up the nVidia video card.

Wombat Pete · 05-03-2010, 12:58 PM

OK, largely (but NOT completely) solved!
In xorg.conf, the point isn't to make the "XKBVariant" variable read "typewriter," but to have the "XKBLayout" variable read "us,ru(typewriter)"
It is the addition of "(typewriter)" that did the trick!

BUT one thing is left:
How do I affect/alter the choice of the layout of the Russian keyboard when I hit alt-shift and I'm *NOT* in X? Just in a tty? The choice IS, somehow, being made.

Thanks, all!

r-t · 05-03-2010, 04:51 PM

Looks like that question has drawn a bit of a blank before:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...layout-278253/

Although from this post it looks as if "loadkeys" is necessary:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...d-line-499375/