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Old 12-08-2010, 02:54 PM   #16
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Well, you're not a newbie to Linux, try Slackware instead of Mandriva, it will run smoothly on the old hardware, the usb.img for the installation has only about 25MB, Installation can be done over the network and you may begin with a minimal installation and then you may download little by little the packages you'll need additionally.
But this is only usefull if you stay with Ubuntu until the Slackware-installation is useable.
It is also possible, to download all packages and the usb-image and then to do the installation with the downloaded packages (this is how I install Slackware).

Markus
 
Old 12-08-2010, 06:04 PM   #17
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Hi, One glaring omission, your partitions are not numbered sda1, etc..
correctly and this may make it difficult to find a partition to copy files to.

I thought you numbered them the same as the old standard. sda1, (extended partition)sda5 sda6 etc...

You also need a swap file partition.

One other thing, either select the command using the Fn keys or type the command in.
But it probably won't hurt.
Code:
noapic noacpi
When the live disk gets to 'udev' stage it needs to copy the operating system to ram (live cd's generally do not write to disk unless you make it do so, like saving your /home/$USER directory and personal settings).

When it(the install or boot program) can't find the HD it stops.

A rule of thumb, Live distros are not optimised to be installed.

Cheers Glenn
 
Old 12-08-2010, 08:05 PM   #18
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I don't know about your country, but in Germany there are many Linux magazines that almost every time have a CD or DVD included with different distributions on it. May be this way you can try another distribution just simpler than downloading.
 
Old 12-08-2010, 08:26 PM   #19
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Hi, One glaring omission, your partitions are not numbered sda1, etc..
correctly and this may make it difficult to find a partition to copy files to.

I thought you numbered them the same as the old standard. sda1, (extended partition)sda5 sda6 etc...

You also need a swap file partition.

One other thing, either select the command using the Fn keys or type the command in.
But it probably won't hurt.
Code:
noapic noacpi
When the live disk gets to 'udev' stage it needs to copy the operating system to ram (live cd's generally do not write to disk unless you make it do so, like saving your /home/$USER directory and personal settings).

When it(the install or boot program) can't find the HD it stops.

A rule of thumb, Live distros are not optimised to be installed.

Cheers Glenn
u mentioned tht my partitions are arranged in an old way ,,,i just try to show how actully the are

vik@UB910:~$ sudo fdisk -l
[sudo] password for vik:

Disk /dev/sda: 40.1 GB, 40060403712 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 4870 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x00057b60

Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 1095 8787968 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 1095 4871 30330880+ 5 Extended
/dev/sda3 1095 1095 1023+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda5 1095 1219 999424 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda6 1219 4871 29330432 83 Linux

Partition table entries are not in disk order


is it of any help? and yes i will try tht noapic noacpi tooand will tell what happened in next post.......but i have little hope of tht working as i have tried all the options...still it wont hurt to try...good
 
Old 12-08-2010, 08:44 PM   #20
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If sda2 is the extended partition the next available number is sda5. Not sda3 or sda4.

But it's a standard that may produce undetermined errors, especially during installation.

Cheers and good luck, also the Linux/pc magazine may be a faster option to obtaining a Linux DVD. (as mentioned above)

Regards Glenn
 
Old 12-08-2010, 09:05 PM   #21
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If sda2 is the extended partition the next available number is sda5. Not sda3 or sda4.
How do you come to that conclusion? If sda3 is a primary partition it has to be sda3, nothing wrong with it.
 
Old 12-08-2010, 09:23 PM   #22
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Quote:
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System
/dev/sda1 * 1 1095 8787968 83 Linux
/dev/sda2 1095 4871 30330880+ 5 Extended
/dev/sda3 1095 1095 1023+ 83 Linux
/dev/sda5 1095 1219 999424 82 Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda6 1219 4871 29330432 83 Linux
This swap sda5, starts at the same block as sda3, that's What I gather.


Code:
glenn@GamesBox:~$ sudo fdisk -l                       (09-12 13:16)

Disk /dev/sda: 500.1 GB, 500107862016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 60801 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xbcd2bcd2

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1   *           1          25      200781   83  Linux
/dev/sda2              26       60801   488183220    5  Extended
/dev/sda5              26        1044     8185086   83  Linux
/dev/sda6           10068       60801   407520823+  83  Linux
/dev/sda7            1045        1553     4088511   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sda8            1554        2572     8185086   83  Linux
/dev/sda9            2573        2881     2482011   83  Linux
/dev/sda10           2882        3548     5357646   83  Linux
/dev/sda11           3549        3692     1156648+  83  Linux
/dev/sda12           3693        5605    15366141   83  Linux
/dev/sda13           5606       10067    35840983+  83  Linux

Partition table entries are not in disk order

Disk /dev/sdb: 250.1 GB, 250059350016 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 30401 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0xdff1dff1

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdb1   *           1        6750    54219343+   7  HPFS/NTFS
/dev/sdb2            6751       30401   189976657+   5  Extended
/dev/sdb5            6751       11222    35921308+  83  Linux
/dev/sdb6           11223       20859    77409171   83  Linux
/dev/sdb7           20860       30401    76646083+  83  Linux

Disk /dev/sdd: 160.0 GB, 160041885696 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 19457 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x2ecb425f

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdd1   *         510       19457   152199810    f  W95 Ext'd (LBA)
/dev/sdd2               1         509     4088511   82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdd5             510        7344    54902106   83  Linux
/dev/sdd6            7345       11321    31945221    b  W95 FAT32
/dev/sdd7           11322       19457    65352388+  83  Linux

Partition table entries are not in disk order

Disk /dev/sdc: 120.0 GB, 120034123776 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 14593 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 512 bytes / 512 bytes
Disk identifier: 0x31183118

   Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sdc1   *           1        7296    58605088+  83  Linux
/dev/sdc2            7297       14593    58613152+   5  Extended
/dev/sdc5            7297        7760     3727048+  82  Linux swap / Solaris
/dev/sdc6            7761       10317    20539071   83  Linux
/dev/sdc7           10318       14593    34346938+  83  Linux
glenn@GamesBox:~$
My five cents worth. The partition table, and or MBR is corrupted by overlapping partitions.
 
Old 12-08-2010, 10:36 PM   #23
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You are right, I didn't see that.
 
Old 12-08-2010, 11:11 PM   #24
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Thank you.

I know GNU/Linux will work on almost any partition arrangement, But

The live dvd disk is probably configured for a M$Win system,

so it's expecting to see a dos partition table.

This is the standard I was alluding to above, but I wasn't very clear about it.

Let's see what happens.

Regards Glenn
 
Old 12-09-2010, 02:30 AM   #25
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Cool

guys i am not able to make any progress to the existing problem .i did tried noapic noacpi and all such possibilities but nothing is happening.and i am not able to understand the ongoing conversation.tell me what i should do now .should i stop installing mandriva and shift to ubuntu again or what...if anyone is having something else to try i can do tht also to get the problem solved...thanks
 
Old 12-09-2010, 02:48 AM   #26
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Hello sinvikram,

one thing GlennsPref and TobiSGD found out is that your partitiontable has a failure. There is partition /dev/sda3 which is primary but overlaps with the logical partition /dev/sda5 (which is the first partition of the extended /dev/sda2).

The question is if this failure causes the problems with booting the Mandriva-CD. The point is that the udev-process is responsible for the devices and is possible, that the partitiontable causes udev to crash (but I've never had such an issue). We found as well out that the booting-process fails while udev is trying to recognize the devices.

In my opinion (independend with which distribution you'll end up) the partitiontable should be repaired. But this may cause problems with Ubuntu if it is done while Ubuntu is still installed.

The partitiontable is in fact only a table of contents for the harddisk. It is independend of the physical data, which means, that changes in the partitiontable don't affect your data. But it may be that after altering the table, the filesystem doesn't find your data.

Well, as I stated above, In my opinion it would be better you go for an other distribution. So the question is: how do you get a new installation-CD?

Markus

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Hello sinvikram,

one thing GlennsPref and TobiSGD found out is that your partitiontable has a failure. There is partition /dev/sda3 which is primary but overlaps with the logical partition /dev/sda5 (which is the first partition of the extended /dev/sda2).

The question is if this failure causes the problems with booting the Mandriva-CD. The point is that the udev-process is responsible for the devices and is possible, that the partitiontable causes udev to crash (but I've never had such an issue). We found as well out that the booting-process fails while udev is trying to recognize the devices.

In my opinion (independend with which distribution you'll end up) the partitiontable should be repaired. But this may cause problems with Ubuntu if it is done while Ubuntu is still installed.

The partitiontable is in fact only a table of contents for the harddisk. It is independend of the physical data, which means, that changes in the partitiontable don't affect your data. But it may be that after altering the table, the filesystem doesn't find your data.

Well, as I stated above, In my opinion it would be better you go for an other distribution. So the question is: how do you get a new installation-CD?

Markus
yes i also feel tht the the partition table has got crashed .when i start the gparted it displays the following error message stating
The Kernel is unable to re-read the partition tables on the following devices:
-/dev/sda
because of this u will have limited access to these devices.unmount all the mounted partitions on a device to get full access.i have uploaded it in screenshot


now i have added the screenshot-1 of the gparted shown partitions..see if this is what u were trying to say....i know u are still stick to suggest me to try some other distro and surely i am downloading ubuntu10.10 again .....
how can the problem with partition tables be resolved....
actually i did tried to make the indipendent data partition with the help of a great guy .....but unfortunately i was not able to follow him 100% may be becoz of this problem partition /dev/sda3 which is primary overlaps with the logical partition /dev/sda5 ...as u mentioned above
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Well, the errormessage is not an errormessage and has nothing to do with your problem. Here the explanation, normally one can only repartition drives which are not mounted. Since your system is running there is always at least one partition of /dev/sda (namely the root / partition) mounted. So if you change the partitiontable, you'll have to reboot your system before your kernel recognizes the new table.
Important: if you want to create a new filesystem on a new partition, be sure to reboot between altering the partitiontable and creating the filesystem!

Since you have much free space on your /dev/sda6 partition, I'd suggest to decrease this partition and create one new partition of (for example) 10 GB where you may install a new distribution. You can dualboot with your Ubuntu until the new one is running properly.
 
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Markush has some good advice, and I agree with you, you may not need to change distributions.

Just fix the partition table and you'll be fine.

Keep the kernel switches in mind, in case. older hardware

Sorry, after all I have said before, this (the partition table) is probably the real problem.

My background is Electronics and A+ Cert (IBM)

Cheers Glenn
 
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...Sorry, after all I have said before, this (the partition table) is probably the real problem.

My background is Electronics and A+ Cert (IBM)...
Well, I would delete the partition /dev/sda3 and reboot the system. This may be dangerous in so far as Ubuntu may have problems.
Otherwise (in this case) one can recover the partitiontable without loss of data.
The question remains if sinvikram will be able to recover his system if Ubuntu doesn't boot anymore?
Hi doesn't have a bootable Live-CD yet.
I'm using Slax in such cases, a small Slackware-based Live-CD http://www.slax.org/ which can also be used with a USB-drive.
This has to be tested before altering the partitiontable, a bootable CD must be available.

Markus
 
  


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