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Old 01-05-2018, 10:51 AM   #16
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Have you thought about contacting Sumo customer support on the link I provided above?
 
Old 01-05-2018, 11:22 AM   #17
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It seems that you just want to restore the MSDOS MBR and get rid of grub altogether? If the intention is to just install Windows and not run any other OS, then that seems like the best course of action.

Something like testdisk should allow this. Or the "mbr" package available in some Linux distributions. Some kind of live distribution such as 'system rescue cd' which can boot from a live USB would also be ideal. The windows specific methods may not be of use, if you can't boot from a windows CD or get into windows to run the commands.
 
Old 01-05-2018, 12:38 PM   #18
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I've dealt with sumo before and they are great, but there's more to this.

The other software that is run is licenced (legit), but it's version 1.4 and they are now on ver 8, and have no way of relicencing ver 1.x and this is not Sumo, it's the 3rd party software vendor.

The original image was licenced, hence why I made the image.

If at all possible I'd like to fix grub on the image that I restored back
So that this software will be licenced ... does that make sense??

Worst case senario is I have to wipe all partitions out and install Windows again....but by that stage I will have exhausted all your brains/knowledge lol
 
Old 01-05-2018, 01:08 PM   #19
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fantom,

I totally agree with cynwulf, (and as I said in post #15) if you only want Windows, then either yourself or someone from Sumo Technologies support department needs to restore the Windows XP boot sector (MBR) and replace GRUB with the Windows XP boot sector. It's that simple.

Make your choice.
 
Old 01-05-2018, 01:20 PM   #20
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Jsbjsb001, can I not fix grub and have the system as it was before I messed it up?
 
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Jsbjsb001, can I not fix grub and have the system as it was before I messed it up?
Yes, you can do that...

But, once again, if you only want Windows and no other OS installed; What is the point ??
 
Old 01-05-2018, 01:32 PM   #22
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I've dealt with sumo before and they are great, but there's more to this.

The other software that is run is licenced (legit), but it's version 1.4 and they are now on ver 8, and have no way of relicencing ver 1.x and this is not Sumo, it's the 3rd party software vendor.

The original image was licenced, hence why I made the image.

If at all possible I'd like to fix grub on the image that I restored back
So that this software will be licenced ... does that make sense??

Worst case senario is I have to wipe all partitions out and install Windows again....but by that stage I will have exhausted all your brains/knowledge lol
Yes, but Sumo may be able to advise you of the best way to restore Grub to the device, with their knowledge of the how things are set up, despite it being an old licensed copy. The worst they can say surely is "No, we can't help you".
 
Old 01-05-2018, 04:47 PM   #23
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It's difficult to assist you either way, if you're not prepared to at least try a few things. Firstly if you can boot some kind of live system and examine the partitioning schema, it might be possible to work out what was installed and where. grub, even grub 0.x ("legacy" grub) as I recall needed to store the stage 2 portion of the bootloader in a supported file system.
 
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Grub Legacy manual at the link below.

https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ma...gacy/grub.html

Grub2 Manual at the link below.

https://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub/grub.html

SuperGrubDisk at the link below is a small iso file which you can burn to a CD and boot and install Grub.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/supergrub2/

Without more details such as which Grub you are using and what your partitions look like on the machine it's going to all be guesswork.
Do you have any Linux system on a DVD or flash drive? That would simplify things.
 
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Hi all,

I'd just like to start by saying thanks to all for your comments/thoughts so far.

I'm very hopefully with the knowledge shown here, we can get this resolved.#

Hopefully you will find attached an image of what I see when I use a windows live cd. Not sure if it will be any good to you or not.

If it's of no help, please just say so and I'll look at another live cd or if I can run Linux from a cd to allow me to boot, I'll soon make a cd.

If I was to hazard a guess, I'd say it was what you folks are calling 'legacy' grub.

If the wrong version of grub was installed would it mess things up even more?

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I'd just like to start by saying thanks to all for your comments/thoughts so far.

I'm very hopefully with the knowledge shown here, we can get this resolved.#
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You have already been given the answers to your question. GRUB is NOT going to do anything for you, other than load an OS of some supported description, that's ALL it does, it DOES NOT do anything else. That's it's only job, to LOAD AN OS of some description, that's it, full stop.

So for the final time, if you ONLY want Windows, WHY not just restore the Windows boot sector?????

There is NO POINT in 'fixing' GRUB, if you only want Windows!

If you are not comfortable in doing it yourself, then as has already been suggested, TAKE IT BACK to your PC manufacturer and get them to do it for you. What's the problem???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_GRUB
 
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I've never used xp but, I'm sure you should be able to download some software to repair the xp bootloader and put it's code in the MBR if this person only uses xp.

The image you posted shows that the machine had Grub Legacy installed on a separate partition from the windows xp system (C:\ drive). What the other folders are on the partition with boot/grub I don't know. The file of significance is the menu.lst file which would show the boot menu when the machine is booted. I'm not sure what the other 'menu.lst' files are. You should be able to use SuperGrubDisk to install Grub but I don't know if it has Grub Legacy. Should not really matter if it is Legacy or Grub2. With only xp, simpler to put windows code to boot.
 
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It looks like grub was installed by the OEM as the boot manager for the recovery partition, etc. The presence of menu.lst verifies that's indeed grub 0.9x (legacy) and I'd imagine it's installed on a FAT file system.

Contacting the vendor is still going to be your best bet.
 
Old 01-06-2018, 01:21 PM   #29
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Fixing grub will restore the device back to where it was, with all working. This isn't just a simple tablet that is used for home use. The 3rd party software is specific to what it does, and although out of date, it worked and worked well.

So regardless of what operating system is or isn't on the device, I would like to fix grub.
 
Old 01-07-2018, 03:58 PM   #30
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** UPDATE ***

Folks, thanks very much for your words of wisdom.

I booted from a different windows live cd today and was able to repair the mbr.

Rebooted and much to my surpise XP loaded and all was well.

Just one last question before I close this thread.. beachboy2 suggested I use Redo Backup, I must say I've never heard of this software, let alone use it, but it is as straight forward as can be. On the Live cd I found, it has Ghost installed/built in, if I was to make an image with ghost, would it affect grub on a restore ?

TIA
 
  


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