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enginestar 06-03-2018 07:28 PM

Dropbox and what else...?
 
I want to use cloud storage like Dropbox.

Dropbox - I'll definitely get.

What else can I consider as well?

I looked at Mega - looks OK. 15GB free (50GB is good for 180 days only). But run by Kim Dot Kom - I'm sure he can be trusted... but if I have another choice... I'll go for that. :)

tonido.com - free unlimited??
Sounds too good?

What others?

BIGGEST concern: NOT having code hog my system.
Would love if there was a 'non auto sync' - where I manually sync.

Only need 10GB. That would suit me plenty.

Thanks.

wpeckham 06-04-2018 05:27 AM

Have you considered google drive storage? I use both.

Turbocapitalist 06-04-2018 05:45 AM

Why not self-host? You can get a Raspberry Pi for a low price and plug a 16GB USB stick into it and you're set using any number of "cloud" packages or, my preference, SFTP. If you want fancier than EXT4, you can use several sticks and do ZFS for your underlying file system. Though that probably means FreeBSD as the host instead of Raspbian.

If your ISP does not provide an external IP address you can NAT punch by setting up your site as an onion service or just hire a VPS. A VPS would be about 5 EUR per month or less if you look around a bit at ones from Vultr, Scaleway, Linode, OVH, or similar.

enginestar 06-04-2018 06:11 PM

self hosting... didn't ever think of.
having storage somewhere else in the cloud... you have some reassurance that you can retrieve should you need to.

google drive - i read up about this...
and from what i read there is no official 'linux google drive' yet?
everything is a work around?

any others worth considering? there seem to be quite a few when i googled.
i just wanted to choose something that others recommended.
thanks.

Mill J 06-04-2018 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by enginestar (Post 5863663)
google drive - i read up about this...
and from what i read there is no official 'linux google drive' yet?
everything is a work around?

Unless I'm wrong it's available via almost any web browser, please correct me if I'm wrong.

enginestar 06-04-2018 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mill J (Post 5863717)
Unless I'm wrong it's available via almost any web browser, please correct me if I'm wrong.

i wanted to have on many folders. and to be able to use and never think about worrying about syncing.

dugan 06-04-2018 08:56 PM

Onedrive is the other one, following Dropbox and GDrive.

enginestar 06-04-2018 09:28 PM

thanks @dugan.
unless someone says otherwise, i think i'll go for onedrive.

Turbocapitalist 06-04-2018 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by enginestar (Post 5863663)
self hosting... didn't ever think of.
having storage somewhere else in the cloud... you have some reassurance that you can retrieve should you need to.

Only if you find marketing lies reassuring. Some do. The "cloud" providers like to keep the reports problems low visibility and out of the press but yet the problems abound.

https://www.itworld.com/article/2833...-my-files.html
https://www.zdnet.com/article/dropbo...e-subscribers/

Further, they are pretty much all going TLS over HTTP and as you know the certificate hierarchy is easy to mess with and thus your communictions with the "cloud" provider inherently insecure.

"cloud" is not an alternative to backup unless you go with something complex like Tarsnap, and even then it only counts as a single copy.

Delcaran 06-05-2018 01:57 AM

Take a look at rclone. With it you can easily use multiple online services and even encrypt them.

ondoho 06-05-2018 02:30 AM

for google drive:
https://github.com/prasmussen/gdrive
https://github.com/google/skicka

about self-hosting:
it's the best, but i wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't ready for setting it up themselves.

wpeckham 06-05-2018 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by enginestar (Post 5863728)
i wanted to have on many folders. and to be able to use and never think about worrying about syncing.

Then you do not want public cloud storage, it does not work like that. You need to run a process to sync, and then be able to monitor that process to ensure that your sync is current, not what you need. What you need is your OWN private cloud storage, or perhaps just NAS.
The 'pie' trick mentioned above would serve, or a PC with large drives and something like FreeNAS.
Just be aware that you are then responsible for your own backups of that NAS.

Basically, ALL of the solutions for Linux that are not Linux based are work-arounds. But then, nearly everything that Linux does better than Windows that is used on a Windows domain is a work-around. The fact that a Linux work-around is often better than the Windows service equivalent is just bonus.

Turbocapitalist 06-05-2018 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ondoho (Post 5863816)
about self-hosting:
it's the best, but i wouldn't recommend it to anyone who isn't ready for setting it up themselves.

If we narrow that to just SFTP then I'd say it's about as easy to set up as the hyped "cloud" services but that SFTP is much easier to interact with than HTTPS-based services especially from GNU/Linux because the file manager supports it out of the box.

Here's my well-padded time estimate for a beginner for self-hosting from SOHO location:
  • 15 min research port forwarding and verify there is an external IP address
  • 15 min research and sign up for a dynamic DNS service
  • 30 min research and order a Raspberry Pi plus a USB stick
  • 30 min install Raspbian-lite, turn on OpenSSH
  • 30 min learn about keys and turn off passwords
  • 15 min turn on port forwarding
  • 30 min beer o'clock

However, that is dependent on an external IP address. If none is available, then you can set up an Onion service or try a VPS instead.

For a VPS it would be shorter, with potentially a lot less privacy but no less so than a regular "cloud" service:
  • 30 min Choose and subscribe to a VPS provider
  • 15 min Get system spun up and OpenSSH activated
  • 30 min learn about keys and turn off passwords
  • 30 min beer o'clock

For OS X there are specialized clients like FileZilla and CyberDuck. For legacy operating systems, there is FileZilla and WinSCP. But, again, for GNU/Linux the file managers support SFTP out of the box.

enginestar 06-05-2018 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Delcaran (Post 5863807)
Take a look at rclone. With it you can easily use multiple online services and even encrypt them.

ouch... i think this is what i might be looking for.
rclone sounds awesome.
will be trying out
thanks!

FlinchX 06-07-2018 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by enginestar (Post 5863173)
I looked at Mega - looks OK. 15GB free (50GB is good for 180 days only). But run by Kim Dot Kom - I'm sure he can be trusted...

If you think you can trust dropbox more than mega, perhaps you don't know about this? http://www.drop-dropbox.com/

SpiderOak used to be a Dropbox alternative, but it's been a couple of years since I'm not using it anymore and their website only displays paid plans nowadays.

Wuala used to be another alternative but it looks like it is no more.

Your best option is probably self-hosting something like owncloud/nextcloud or syncthing. Pretty much all free space service providers are Big Brother honeypots.


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