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Old 01-03-2004, 09:32 PM   #16
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No problem , actually thnx u as this is the first time i answer a linux question in this forum although its not much
Old 01-03-2004, 09:43 PM   #17
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I made an edit. I didnt know it cost money. I cant get it...
Old 01-03-2004, 10:14 PM   #18
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"Long and tedious system installation, occasional instability and risk of breakdown, unsuitable for mission critical servers."

It's a source based distro, if you're going to install 300 packages of course it will take long, since it has to compile and install each and every package. But that also means you decide which options to compile into the packages, which CFLAGS you use, which patches to apply etc, so generally speaking you get better performance, have your softwares the way you want it, but at the expense of compiling time.

As for the stablity, if you stay with stable packages, use safe cflags, I don't see any reason why is it going to be less stable than any other distros out there. At the end of the day they're all using the same software, why would the same version of Apache run less stable on Gentoo than say Debian? no way.

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Old 01-03-2004, 10:27 PM   #19
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I cant even get Debian to run the GUI so dont let 'Distribution:' tag fool you But thanks for the advice, Ill keep that in mind
Old 01-03-2004, 11:04 PM   #20
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If you're gonna go Gentoo, I might suggest Slackware first.
It's pretty easy to install, and configure.
Then once you have installed it, it's easy to navigate around, and understand, not just Slackware, but Linux aswell (I hear Mandrake often "hides" files from the user?)
Old 01-03-2004, 11:59 PM   #21
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I am also a noob, but I suggest that you pick one with lots of support (via sites like this one). I am using Fedora Core and when I have question and search the internet, it seems that I usually find answers targeted to Red Hat. Therefore, I would suggest it. Mandrake seems to also be popular.

Also, popular distributions have books available on them too (although I do most of my researching on the net, a book is handy when I'm in the bathroom - where my internet connection is unavailable LOL)
Old 01-04-2004, 11:50 PM   #22
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pick a distro you make yourself, if you can't figure something out just read a manpage or post here, i started with straight debian linux a few years ago, base text install, i had no help, no manuals, no forums, and spent days installing and typing random commands at the console, things started working out when i typed man, and when i hit tab twice.

distro doesn't matter, try them one by one in alphabetical order..
Old 01-05-2004, 12:56 AM   #23
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Originally posted by HyBriDJoKeR
I was thinking of giving Gentoo a try first, and if it fails then I would stick with Red Hat. I heard RPM based distros cause a lot of problems, thats why I'm trying to avoid them right now. This makes me unhappy about Red Hat, 'poor multimedia support, concerns over the Red Hat to Fedora transition'. Plus whats the difference between Red Hat and Fedora? Also is this true about Gentoo? 'Long and tedious system installation, occasional instability and risk of breakdown, unsuitable for mission critical servers.'
Try Gentoo but like said in prev post nothing but compiling but as far as "Long and tedious system installation, occasional instability and risk of breakdown, unsuitable for mission critical servers" is the same review Gentoo has had on EVERY page i've ever seen.

Don't bother with RH9 you'll only have til' april until RH throws it in the trash. I've been using Linux for about 8mo. now I started with RH9 and LOVED it. now due to the recent events I'm running Mdk 9.2, a few bugs but harmless ones. I'm pretty impressed with it. I'm dual booting my main machine with Fedora Core 1 to keep my eye on it cuz like I said I really liked RH. I've had no probs at all with it, basically an exact copy who knows about core 2. we'll see. also as far as RPM distro being less it's the only way to go. I've got to give MDK they do a better job with rpm mgmt the RH did. I want a pkg i type it in, it installs it, if there dependencies needed it installs them, done deal. vs. compiling can;t install due to the dependencies
getting them, compiling them and so on. Debian's .deb are decent but wasn't too impressed since the installer sux, (but I think that changed).

You'll see alot of VERY strong opions in the Linux Community alot of hate toward the "easier" distros. mostly because they don't like anything that even remotely resembles Windows. Don't know about you but I switched because I don't like my Personal Info stolen, All the wasted $$ and my machine crashing more than running, not because you could point and click or because there was a wizard to help you not waste time. oh well now I'm rambling, you came to the right place everyone here has been nothing but help to me and the ONLY reason I'm running today
Old 01-05-2004, 02:43 AM   #24
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I hear RedHat and Mandrake are the best distro's for us Newbies!
Old 01-05-2004, 11:43 AM   #25
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Ark Linux!
and read my review
Old 01-05-2004, 12:42 PM   #26
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i'd recommend SuSE....

but if you want to install gentoo, print out the install docs and understand what each step is doing before trying.
Old 01-05-2004, 03:09 PM   #27
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I cant install Gentoo, a someone told me they couldnt get it to work with their mobo and surprising, I have a similar one, he has an ASUS A8V7X and I have a A8V7X-X if I can remember clearly. Ive tried Mandy before, I dont like it at all. I installed Slackware already, but Im having a problem starting the GUI, as found in this thread:

Old 02-04-2004, 02:03 AM   #28
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I'm a newb to Linux. I tried the SuSE 9.0 live eval and it installed everything and I've been using it a lot these last few days. I think I'm going to pick up a retail package os SuSE 9.0 soon.
Old 02-04-2004, 04:22 AM   #29
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As a newb I'd also rec SUSE 9.0 Pro. You can get it on Ebay for a pittance, around $10. It comes w/hundreds of extra goodies you can install right from the cd's (there are 5 of them!). Mandrake is also good, both installed nicely on my system and configured my internet connection automatically w/no problem. Very nice.

Old 02-04-2004, 09:19 AM   #30
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I started on Redhat 8.0 and I think it's a pretty good distro for newbies. It wasn't long until the whole RPM thing started to annoy me. It's fine if you only want packages that are rpm'ed, but sooner or later you're going to have to learn how to compile stuff, and then you get RPM's that need things which are only installed by source, so you have to set ignore dependency flags and the whole thing was a big mess. This is what I recommend (but I would probably ignore me if I were you):
Get a good "newbie distro". According to this thread, that means SuSe or Redhat. I've heard great great things about Slackware, but I've also heard it's now great for newbies. Still, try it if you like.
Then partition off your hard drive, and install it, leaving a nice empty partition.
Then use the distro and learn how it all works. Meanwhile, use your empty partition to install Gentoo, or even better (especially from the learning point of view) LFS ( It's the best distro out there IMO. Yes, you have to compile everything, and yes you have to do it by hand, but it gives you an incredibly fast distro with everything you want and nothing you don't want (or need), plus as long as you can read, you should be able to install the basic LFS system without a hitch. Then you need BLFS (beyond linux from scratch) to install X, and window managers etc., but the great thing is that it's got good support on mailing lists and a helpful irc channel, and you can do it all in the background of your host distro. So while you're browsing the internet and colouring in pictures with the GIMP on your premade "friendly" distro, you're also building a powerful beast in the background.


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